User talk:Dennette/Archive 1

Mensa List

I don't know about that one as there is set criteria to belong to Mensa and wikipedia makes determinations concerning notability all the time - so I think that it doesn't have the neutrality problems that the genius list has. --Trödel 12:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that the national office will neither confirm nor deny current or past membership, and belonging to a social club that one out of every fifty people are eligible to join (that's 6,000,000 in the US alone) is hardly as "noteworthy" as the List of Eagle Scouts, which recognizes an achievement ... half the individuals with Wikipedia articles (e.g., anyone on the List of Nobel laureates) probably qualify for membership, otherwise they wouldn't be here in the first place ... they just never bothered to pay the annual dues. :-) -- Dennette 00:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

AFD

No problem - 2nd nom is a tricky one. I wasn't drawing attention to your error, just noting why it didn't show up until then. Yomangani^talk 00:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:AFD on Mensa

Hi Dennette. I just wanted to drop by and thank you for the heads-up on the AFD, but let you know that on wikipedia it is frowned upon somewhat to alert other users about AFDs, RFAs, etc. It makes it seem like you are trying to stuff the ballot (even if that obviously isn't the case, like now). I'm alerting you because I'm worried that you'll get a rather nasty slap on the wrist by someone if you tell the wrong person about a consensus (which has happened a couple of times here :-S ). Anyway, salaam and cheers, The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 00:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but your warning came a Little Too Late ... Ptkfgs already slapped me, even though I was only contacting people who had already contibuted to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of geniuses and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mensa International members. OTOH, I don't think that No Canvassing prohibits me from mentioning things like just having made a contibution to the Discussion page for Portal:Islam/Did_you_know on my own User Talk page, right? --Dennette 01:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Acutally, most people put their contribs on their userpage, so you can proudly display your portal and article contribs there.

OK....now onto spamming. The thing about XfDs (AfDs, CfDs, MfDs, etc.) is that they are a consideration to obliterate a person's work. It's a huge thing that XfD "voters" often overlook. If you are a main contributor to that particular article, you may lose a decent amount of edits and contribs which show evidence of involvement.

Then, since it is such a big deal, often the deleter or the editor of the page in question will rush to experts, friends, or afficianados of the topic, and people who believe the topic is cruft. Then, the AfD is corrupted by people who don't really care about the topic, they just want to exercise some sort of guideline or philosophy they run by. A lot of them are "sheep votes" which are often single-word "delete" or "keep" statements, or "per Mrs. so-and-so" ones (which is basically the same thing). So a perfectly fine XfD is corrupted by a few messages. This is why when someone sees some sort of spam about AfDs, they ring the firebell, because there is almost always some sort of angle the spammer is coming at. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 01:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I don't doubt that you had good intentions, I'm just trying to explain why others may think otherwise :) The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 02:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Islamic Barnstar Award

Please offer your opinion, vote, or whatever about your choice for the image to be used with the Islamic Barnstar Award at the Barnstar proposals page. Although there is consensus for the concept of an Islamic Barnstar Award, some editors would like to change the image for the award. I was just thinking you should be aware of this discussion because you have contributed to Islamic-related articles, received the Islamic Barnstar Award, or have contributed to the Islam-related Wikiprojects, etc.--JuanMuslim ^1m 16:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Re : List of geniuses redux

Looks like someone else has beaten me to speedying it already! ;) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 20:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Watchmen protection

It is to be expected that an article on popular culture featured on the main page while receive a fair amount of vandalism. Consequently, a fair amount of people have the article on their watchlist so vandalism gets removed pretty quickly. The reasons for not protecting main page articles are summarized in User:Raul654/protection. Joelito (talk) 20:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Many thanks for helping fend off the vandals while Gregorian chant was on the main page. I wasn't prepared for the level of vandalism. It's heartening to know how efficient and diligent you WP admins and editors are to revert it! Peirigill 07:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Closing a recent AfD

When you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omaha, NE (Comic), you missed Mooble, or: the Rise and Fall of Modern Logic (Comic). I have already merged that article into The Stony Brook Press. Tinlinkin 08:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

When you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shamin Mohamed Jr., you missed Children's AIDS Health Program, whose AfD points to it as well. (Hey, these multiples are a PITA, ain't they? :-) --Dennette 08:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The votes could have been highlighted or even placed in to the title of the AfD discussion. They can be missed sometimes in the mass of comments that you have to read through and assess! Regards,  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  12:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI, closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shamin Mohamed Jr. has left an orphan image, Image:Shamin Mohamed Jr.jpg ... it is only linked to User talk:Smjr2000 (with a copyright warning), and it contains the text used in the original creation of the deleted page, as well as a link to the Web site of the deleted Children's AIDS Health Program. --Dennette 13:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I have tagged it{{no license|month=August|day=26|year=2006}}, as per Category:Images with unknown copyright status.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  13:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

re: Xtreme iTalk

FYI, User:Taylorhewitt, whose vanity page (Talk:Taylor Hewitt) was recently deleted, has once again removed the prod from Xtreme iTalk ... is there some way to protect the main page and still let him make comments for improvement on the discussion page? (I'm too new at this to understand how all of the magicks work.) --Dennette 19:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, I know Wikipedia is hard to figure out at first. PRODs can be removed by anyone, no problem there, so I've gone ahead and listed it at WP:AFD - and this tag can't be removed by just anyone. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xtreme iTalk now. If he should remove the AfD tag, it can be put back on, and the page protected if need be. --W.marsh 19:17, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Chumba-Wumbas

What I had in mind by "fictional character" were names like Quagland and Clevemire ("Da Boom") not fictional species of humanoids. In any case, the point might be moot if the writer of the episode "Wasted Talent" knew about the English anarchist band Chumbawumba, which has been active since the 80s. Cromulent Kwyjibo 23:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I deleted Chumba-Wumba from List of neologisms on Family Guy because the word is a parody of Oompa-Loompa, not a true neologism. --Dennette 06:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Jerk

What the hell is your problem? How is it anybody's business that I got kicked out? How is it relevant to the deletion discussion page of Xtreme iTalk, hmm? Please tell me that.

Jesus I'm an honest guy and all I want is my article on wikipedia. If you take it down then fine I'll accept it for now but please don't make yourself feel better by putting me down in un-neccesary ways.

Taylor Hewitt 00:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

okay

well sure its not famous and sure i like to keep an active role in the community, but i dont see that as a bad thing.

i guess i dont understand how wikipedia works fully then. i didnt think it was a big deal about removing that thing but i guess it is. i was actually hoping nobody would notice but i guess i was wrong :P

by the way what is NN?

thanks

Taylor Hewitt 00:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

i didnt realize i wasnt logged in. im not used to going somewhere and not being logged in. i wasnt trying to hide. and my age is irrelevant. on the internet, what is relevant is what somebody can accomplish and achieve. Taylor Hewitt 15:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Abjad

"Isopsephy" is the specific form of numerology which is relevant to Abjad numerals. Most of the stuff mentioned on the numerology page has absolutely no connection to Abjad numberals (the "summing to one digit" practice which seems to dominate modern numerology was not done with Abjad numerals). I don't really see a problem with the link -- it's linking to the most specific relevant sub-area of the link subject. AnonMoos 11:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that it is misleading, because most readers will not click the link, thinking they already know what "numerology" means ... you should use use Isopsephy explicitly, and people will click the unfamiliar word and learn something. This is an English language Wikipedia, and readers who are not Muslim, or native speakers of the Arabic language, have probably never heard of "Abjad numerals." --Dennette 11:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not "misleading" -- it's a link to the most specific relevant sub-area of the word in the link. Isopsephy is actually a Greek word, and the vast majority of Muslims and Arabic-speakers would have no idea what the heck it means. AnonMoos 11:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

You are confusing two distict comments:

• Numerology only mentions Isopsephy in it's See also section, and Isopsephy only mentions Numerology because I recently added the link.
• My comment about "Muslims and Arabic-speakers" related to "Abjad numerals", not "Isopsephy", and I probably should not have even mentioned it, because the discussion started with the "numerology" link in the "Abjad numerals" article, and even I don't remember how I got there in the first place.

My point is that [[Isopsephy|numerology]] is the same as having [[Dog|Cat]] or [[Cat|Mouse]], and that is what I mean by "misleading", i.e., "I'm confused ... when I click this link, it seems to lead to an entirely different word." (That is why I added a link for "numerology" to the article for "Isopsephy", since prior to that, it only appeared in the Category section.) --Dennette 12:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

My point is that [[Isopsephy|numerology]] is NOT the same as having [[Dog|Cat]] or [[Cat|Mouse]], because it's a link to the most specific relevant sub-area of the word in the link (considering that most of the stuff mentioned on the numerology page has absolutely no connection to Abjad numberals). AnonMoos 22:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Christopher Penczak

I've added some ISBNs. You said in the AfD that ISBNs might change your opinion. Ekajati 21:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Triaria/Sextilia

Hi, I'm confused about this too. There are, I think, two L. Vitellius and one was married at least twice. As far as I can remember there's a family tree at the back of Claudius the God and I'm going to dig that out when I get a chance. What complicated family lives these chappies led! Dlyons493 Talk 08:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

OK I think I've got it right now - the original external link that was used to create the article was rubbishy. Triaria (Junia Calvina Milonia Caecena Alba Terentia) was the daughter-in-law of Sextilia. And there's already a wiki stub Junia Calvina for her, so Triaria should merge into it or vice versa (not sure which and haven't the time to do it right now). Her busy life included incest and banishment as well as the more mundane terrorising of mere men.

P.S. I empathise strongly with what you say about wiki - it just doesn't scale. But I think of it as common knowledge, the sort of immediate answer I can often give when the kids ask me a question about Ancient History like what was Communism. The sort of answer that gives them a context and starting point but which turns out to be riddled with gaps, inaccuracies and inconsistencies once we delve a bit further. Happy non-editing! Dlyons493 Talk 09:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)