Clovermoss

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Question from ContentCreatorMD (17:00, 14 June 2024)

How do I create a page --ContentCreatorMD (talk) 17:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@ContentCreatorMD: This guide is what you're looking for. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Jackthemall (18:22, 14 June 2024)

How do I make a page about someone? --Jackthemall (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jackthemall. This page explains how you would go about that. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Aww

Thank you for believing in me :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

harv/sfn no-target errors in Jehovah's Witnesses

Hi, in Jehovah's Witnesses you have a couple of references, "Chryssides, p. 89" and "Chryssides, p. 116" which are causing harv/sfn no-target errors. There are several works by Chryssides listed in the references (three in the Sources, and more in the actual References). If you could fix these that would be appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@DuncanHill: Sorry about that. I just added the missing year to two sources with the page numbers you listed. Did I miss any others? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, it's removed the article from the error category. DuncanHill (talk) 14:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Please refrain from soapboxing

People who openly declare Christianity on their profile should probably avoid doing things like "bold editing" articles on MAID. Wiki is an encyclopedia, not a political soapbox. 142.160.101.97 (talk) 08:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, may I ask why you think my edits are political soapboxing? I assume you're referring to Talk:Euthanasia in Canada#My recent bold edits since you've recently made a bunch of edits to that page. I ask that you generally focus on content and not the contributor – it's particularly important when interacting with others who may have alternate perspectives than your own. I'm open to the idea that the article could be better but you don't have to insult people to bring up concerns. For a start, maybe you could explain what exactly your concerns are with my actual editing or more broadly, about the article in general (there's a substantial part of the article content that I had absolutely nothing to do with). To be clear, what I had in mind of a possible split article was something like "Legal history of euthanasia in Canada". I trimmed a lot of the tangentially related content because otherwise a tag regarding article size would've been appropriate.

By the way, I haven't believed in God since I was 13. I don't think this magically makes me unbiased in the subject matter. It's a bit difficult to be completely indifferent when such legislation impacts me on a personal level, which is why I'm trying to be a bit more considerate to said concerns even though I think my recent edits are reasonable. I don't see why you'd assume someone's religious beliefs makes them inherently unsuitable for editing any given topic area. There's 2.2 billion Christians and it's inappropriate to suggest that everyone in that group is somehow incapable of editing neutrally. Also, bold editing is generally encouraged. If people have problems with said edits, discussion about them often takes place. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

A belated apology

Hello Clovermoss, an RfA discussion about whether a certain oppose is valid has prompted me to remember the time I was on the opposite end of a similar dispute at your RfA a few months ago. This might seem a bit out of the blue, but on reflection I believe I was not only wrong on the issue at hand but I expressed myself in a way that was too harsh towards you. Sorry. I'm not sure how you felt about it exactly, but I remember you wrote a fairly long response to me and another editor who'd expressed a similar concern, so you must have been taking it at least somewhat seriously. – Teratix ₵ 10:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Teratix: Apology accepted. Surprisingly enough you're not the only one to come here lately to express the same idea. I'll offer the same advice I did then: it's not uncommon to change your mind about something and don't be too hard on yourself. I will admit that your opinion stung a little at the time, probably because I'd seen you across the project and otherwise had a good impression. That sort of thing makes rejection a wee bit harder. If you're curious about what I felt like in regards to RfA, I recently wrote a huge essay about it. Feel free to share your thoughts on that. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Moosleute

You are right, I was interested in the Moss People. For two reasons. One. Plants. Two. Ich spreche ein wenig Deutsch. Hitting several of my interests at once. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 15:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@MtBotany: Yeah, I was reading a fantasy novel where a character made an offhand reference to a moss maiden and I was like... wait a second, really? I need to look that up right now! I was so excited when I came across the article for moss people and I'm glad you like it too. :) The more obscure parts of the project are always fascinating to find. While you're here, any chance you'd be willing to be share your love of plant editing? I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from I want a dad (05:12, 19 June 2024)

Where can I start to make an article? --I want a dad (talk) 05:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi I want a dad, what you're looking for is this page. While you're here, I think it's a good idea to consider that you might want to change your username to something that makes it easier to collaborate with other people. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Avneesh Srivastav (06:33, 20 June 2024)

How do I create Page? --Avneesh Srivastav (talk) 06:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@Avneesh Srivastav: You'll want to read this guide. Keep in mind that creating articles can be a bit of a difficult process and it may be best to work your way up to it. I have some additional resources here you might find useful. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Tincee Hema (12:57, 20 June 2024)

helloo i added one article in wikipedia but that is in my user page...i need to make it public....how can i do that...? please help me to make the articles public... --Tincee Hema (talk) 12:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tincee Hema, I moved your draft to Draft:Ullas Chemban. I also made some slight formatting changes and a button that will let you submit your draft when you think it's ready to be reviewed by another editor. You have the overall structure done quite well, but it's important to cite reliable sources supporting these statements, as verifiability is a crucial aspect of Wikipedia. Another factor to consider is that we have specific guidelines on notability within a Wikipedia specific context. If a reviewer isn't certain that your draft meets those requirements, it's incredibly unlikely to be accepted. If you're unsure of how to cite your sources, try this guide. Feel free to come back here if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Pings

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship

Looks like my unconventional method of fixing pings doesn't work. It's possible to read this page and come to the conclusion that an alternative solution is to properly link a user and signature in a new edit. [1] It looks like a new line is actually required. [2] Anyways, Red-tailed hawk, I meant to ping you earlier. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: Interestingly, the ping worked when editing your comment in user talk space but not in your regular user space. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

So [3] does work even though everything suggests it doesn't. Courtesy ping to Novem Linguae who understands tech stuff better than I do. I'm also cool with this whole side conversation being moved to my talk page because it's somewhat tangential to the issue at hand. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC) Note: I have done so now. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I did some reading of the underlying PHP code, (and some percussive testing) it seems like a ping should show up if the following are true

• The diffing algorithm thinks you added a new block (for example, when you view Clovermoss's edit in diff mode, the diffing algorithm puts it in a new block since Colvermoss also deleted a new line just above their comment, whereas this edit is considered to be a modification of text and not a new line addition)
• Needs to have a valid wikilink to a username in the same new block
• Must contain a raw signature while saving (i.e. ~~~~)

Sohom (talk) 14:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for figuring out the difference. I assumed it had something to do with trying it out in user/user talk page but the removal of a line makes sense (I didn't even realize I did that at the time). Do you think anything should be added to Template:Ping fix to make this clearer? Or that because Help:Fixing failed pings says to add a new line that this is unnessecary? To be quite frank, I never realized my unconventional method here didn't work. I vaguely recall someone telling me to do it years ago (or I misunderstood what they were saying and somehow came to the conclusion). No one's pointed out that this doesn't work until now. That goes to show you can always learn something new. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I think the current docs are mostly fine, mostly cause they do mention adding a new line to the new message. Wrt to not knowing if a mention occurs,there is a option to enable getting a notification when a mention fails to go through in your preferences (Special > Preferences > Notifications > Failed mentions). Might be useful to document that in the docs. Sohom (talk) 01:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Nifemi125 on User:Nifemi125 (05:23, 24 June 2024)

Hello please how do I create a page --Nifemi125 (talk) 05:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nifemi125, read this page. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Assist on this please

Greetings sir, I’ve created this some weeks ago, and i been it’s a notable article as some editors has checked and patrolled on it, it meets Wikipedias GNS, please help review Kingdom Achievers Award, thanks. Madeforall1 (talk) 00:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Madeforall1, I'm not a "sir". Anyways, I'd suggest just being patient when it comes to a review of your article. There's a backlog of more than 11,000 articles so it might take awhile. I figured it might help to know it's not just you who is waiting. Feel free to come back if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Dear talk page watchers

If anyone wants to help expand Rock 'n Play beyond mere stub status, it'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Tried expanding, any feedback is highly appreciated :) Rectech enthusiast (talk) 07:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rectech enthusiast: I do have some feedback. Try not to take it too harshly, I was pleasantly surprised to see a newbie editing an article I just started. Thank you for the additional sentence and source about what the sleeper was actually designed to do. No one owns article content but people can still find it difficult to be bold regardless. While I appreciate your desire to divide the content into sections, articles do need to have a lead. This lead should summarize what's been written about a topic so omitting any information about the recalls and infant deaths until later in the article isn't the best idea. It's a core aspect of the product's history. I also don't think an entire section needs to exist for the one sentence that's there so far about the Safe Sleep Act. If you don't already, I'd encourage you to have the article on your watchlist. I'm likely to edit the page again later today and it can be insightful to watch other editors in action. I did it all the time when I was a newbie. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Hey Clovermoss, Thank you for your contributions and efforts on Wikimedia. I really appreciated! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 05:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Rectech enthusiast (07:02, 26 June 2024)

Hi there! I was wondering if I can start writing articles? I read the guidelines but are there any best practices to find topics to write on which already don't exist on wiki? --Rectech enthusiast (talk) 07:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rectech enthusiast: Wikipedia:Requested articles and Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red are places where you can find requests for articles to be written. Just make sure there's enough sources to meet Wikipedia's notability standards before you do. I typically suggest new editors learn the ropes by expanding articles first. Category:All stub articles can be sorted by topic and can help you find some inspiration. Feel free to come back if you have any other questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)