Bharatss-SB

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:30, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Alzheimer's

Hi, Bharatss-SB (and Ian (Wiki Ed)). I am just stopping by to explain some changes to your addition at Alzheimer's disease.

• First, in this edit, you changed text that previously said "DSM-IV-TR" (and was cited to the fourth text revision of the DSM) to say "DSM-V", but without changing the corresponding citation. That (DSM-IV-TR) text was accurately cited before; now we don't know if the same text (about DSM-5) can be cited to DSM-5, but you just forgot to update the citation. I have restored the correctly cited text (DSM-IV-TR), with this edit. If it is your intent to update the text to actually reflect DSM-5 rather than the fourth text revision, then you should do so with a corresponding citation that verifies your addition/change.
• Second, I do not have a copy of the DSM, but we have a long and problematic history of the APA going after Wikipedia if we reproduce too much of their copyrighted material or if we use too close paraphrasing. I have made several adjustments here to the text you added (DSM-V needs to be linked, we don't need the page number in the text, rather in the citation, and I trimmed the text a bit). However !! It is extremely important that you speak with your prof or Ian and review what the actual DSM says to make sure we are not getting too close paraphrasing, as the APA guards their copyright scrupulously. It would also be helpful if you would share that information with your classmates who might be working on other articles.

Thanks for the edits ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, I’m unable to decipher the meaning of “If neither can be attributed to the patient, …” ?? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:12, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @SandyGeorgia, thank you so much for going through the edits and suggesting that! Yes, that was the case with the first one, I was in the process of removing the mention of DSM-IV altogether in that entire subsection, but you do bring up a great point. My apologies for this, and I will make note of it for next time! Regarding the DSM, I will check with my professor and get back to you on that to ensure that too close paraphrasing is limited! For the "If neither can be attributed to the patient,..." part, I am referring to the traits (above that sentence) used to diagnose major neurocognitive disorder due to Alzheimer's (so the three bullet points, as well as the "has evidence of Alzheimer’s genetically" aspect). Since, if the patient lacks these characteristics/traits, they will be diagnosed with possible Alzheimer's. Should I maybe change it to say: If neither of these traits can be attributed to the patient, possible Alzheimer’s disease can be diagnosed? Do you feel as though this would get the point across better?

The exact wording in the DSM-V is this: "Probable Alzheimer's disease is diagnosed if either of the following is present; otherwise, possible Alzheimer's disease should be diagnosed."

I will also let my group members and classmates know, as you suggested.

Thank you so much!

Bharatss-SB (talk) 00:27, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Do you want to repair the DSM-IV-TR to DSM- 5?, along with a citation? I’m at a loss for not having a copy of the DSM.
• Thanks for checking on the paraphrasing issue; just know that the APA is really sticky on how much we can reproduce, and we have to go the extra mile to put it into our own words. If I had a copy of the DSM, I could check and give you a hand … but I don’t.
• Would you like to change “If neither can be attributed … “ to … if the individual (we avoid using the word patient, see WP:MEDMOS) shows none of these characteristics, possible Alzheimer’s may be diagnosed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:36, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @SandyGeorgia,

• I think the goal will be to do that, but after speaking to my professor about your suggestion just now, she will be having a look through the content while comparing it to DSM-5. I will also be looking for other secondary sources that we can use to co-cite the information to limit the risk as much as possible. After we settle with the DSM-5 section, I will then go through that specific paragraph, and make the changes, which will likely involve repairing the DSM-IV-TR to DSM- 5 as well as its citation.
• I like how you phrased that sentence and it does appear to be distinct from the DSM itself (while getting the same point across), so I will definitely change it to: "If the individual shows none of these characteristics, possible Alzheimer's may be diagnosed."

Thank you so much! Bharatss-SB (talk) 01:00, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Great! It’s in your hands, and I’ll watch as I’m able. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much @SandyGeorgia! Feel free to continue letting me know about any concerns/suggestions/improvements as you get the chance to do so. My group and I greatly appreciate it :) Thank you so much again!

I just spent some time getting some free, full-text sources linked early in the section, and to provide context beyond DSM, since most of our readers (like me) may not have access to the DSM. That's it from me for now; the section needs a lot of expansion and clarification, but hopefully it now has a start.

Aside, in case it helps ... The diagnoses sections I wrote at FAs Dementia with Lewy bodies#Diagnosis (DLB) and Tourette syndrome#Diagnosis may help you as far as tone and the audience we're aiming at. My knowledge of AD is limited to its differential with DLB, but those two may give you some ideas for what is needed. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:14, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

		The Teamwork Barnstar
		To Bharatss-SB, Joan1087, and Joyjxu1, For your work at Alzheimer's disease as part of your course HTHSCI 3E03: Politics of Health Information with Denise Smith at McMaster University, I award you this barnstar for the excellence of your collaborative effort. It is exceedingly rare for students to fully engage the project well enough to make a difference, and awarding a student barnstar is a first for me! Not only did you all communicate and take on board information about Wikipedia policies and guidelines, but you also left the article much better than you found it, and were a pleasure to work with. I hope to see you ‘round the Wikipedia, and good luck with your finals! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

PS, it is customary for Wikipedians to copy barnstars to display on their user page, so feel free to decorate your page with a copy of it ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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