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Hey! I'm Battoubro! I identify as a n00b! But don't let that stop you, I also associate with, and itentify as a karateka!Battoubro (talk) 05:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia! I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto) are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Thank you.

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Oh can someone tell me how to make my sig different colors? Hersfold's signature got me thinking about that. Hakke.... Nishou! Yoshou! Hachishou! Jurokushou! Sanjunishou! Hakke Rokujuyonshou!! (talk) 02:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

This should help. Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing your signature. –Gunslinger47 05:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay how do you use superscript in tables? <font color="red">Battoubro</font> (talk) 22:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

You can use the HTML tag <sup> like this: x². You can also use style="vertical-align:super;" in any other tag, like this: x2. –Gunslinger47 23:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

But it wasn't an open discussion!!

I was talking about the topic!!

I was speaking specifically about this contribution. All conversation on talk pages should be on the subject of how to improve the Wikipedia article they're associated with. –Gunslinger47 01:28, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I knew which one you were talking about!! It wasn't a personal statement! I would know!

Look I knew what I was talking about on that talk: Naruto Akatsuki article! I was wondering why they never changed Madara's article to include the fact that he fought not only team 7, but also team 8! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Battoubro (talk • contribs) 04:09, 18 March 2008

Hm. Try explaining yourself more fully next time. It seems you were actually making a suggestion regarding the article, but none of us could understand what you were talking about. I apologize for any misunderstanding on my part. –Gunslinger47 07:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: User talk:Hersfold. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

No. Rudget is Rudget, Hersfold is Hersfold. If you're upset about the deletion, vandalizing other pages is not the proper way to deal with it. You'd be much better off reading relevant policies instead. Further attacks will lead to you being blocked. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

This is your final warning. Stop trolling or you will be blocked. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter who you were attacking. An attack is an attack. You were asked to stop trolling, you did not. Now you are blocked. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah! I found something about my old Gabe Moore article! The one that started all of this!

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Hersfold blocked me for apologizing

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No, he blocked you because, in the course of your so-called apology at his talk page: [1] you continued your unwarrented personal attacks against Rudget. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I have now sincerely apologized. Once I am unblocked I will apologize to Rudget as well.

Decline reason:

I have received your email, and may be willing to consider your unblock. However, I'm not entirely convinced that you are being sincere, and just simply want to get unblocked so you can continue editing. So, I'd like you to do a few things before requesting an unblock again.

1. Post an apology here to Rudget for your accusations against him. This is so I can make sure you are indeed being sincere, and to allow other admins a chance to review the unblock if I am offline.
2. Read through our policies on no personal attacks and civility, to make sure you understand what is considered acceptable behaivor here.
3. Since your contributions to articles are somewhat lacking, I'd also like you to carry out the instructions listed at {{2nd chance}}. This is to make sure you are willing to make useful contributions, and not just seeking an unblock so you can chat with others.

Once you've finished these tasks, put up another unblock request (no need to email me, this is set up so any admin can take a look and review it). If the reviewing administrator is willing to do so, you will be unblocked. I'm also somewhat curious to know who's been calling me "ruthless" or if you just made that up yourself, especially since you thought I was Rudget previously - an honest answer to that question may positively affect your unblock. Administrators who wish to see the email sent to me may contact me via email to have it forwarded. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

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{{helpme|I still can't edit. meaning I can't complete step 3.}} Re-read your directions. It says to post your improved article on your talk page below. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

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I have completed my three tasks, and have apologized.

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There are no significant improvements in the above copy of the article Dan rank. — Sandstein (talk) 06:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

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My Revamped Article

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Colored belts are worn by kyū ranked practitioners in most modern martial arts, including judo, karate, and taekwondo.
Japanese name
Kanji	級
Hiragana	きゅう
Transcriptions Revised Hepburn kyū

Kyū (級) is a Japanese term used in martial arts, chadō, ikebana, go, shogi and in other similar activities to designate various grades or levels of proficiency or experience.

In Japanese martial arts, kyū-level practitioners hold the ranks below dan or black belt. The kyū ranking system varies from art to art and school to school. In some arts, all the kyū-level practitioners wear white belts while in others different coloured belts, tags or stripes are used; in kendo there is no external indicator of grade.

Kyū-level practitioners are often called mudansha (無段者), "ones without dan" and are considered as initiates rather than students. When practitioners have reached the ranking of first degree black belt, they become shodansha (初段者).

Kyū ranks in Japanese

Some martial arts refer to the kyū ranks entirely in Japanese. The list from tenth to first is as follows:

(Note: kyū ranks progress from the larger number to smaller. For example, a first kyū outranks a fifth kyū.)

• 10. Jikkyū (十級:じっきゅう)
• 9. Kyūkyū (九級:きゅうきゅう)
• 8. Hachikyū (八級:はちきゅう)
• 7. Nanakyū, Shichikyū (七級:ななきゅう, しちきゅう)
• 6. Rokkyū (六級:ろっきゅう)
• 5. Gokyū (五級:ごきゅう)
• 4. Yonkyū (四級:よんきゅう)
• 3. Sankyū (三級:さんきゅう)
• 2. Nikyū (二級:にきゅう)
• 1. Ikkyū (一級:いっきゅう)

Colored belts

The wearing of colored belts is often associated with kyū ranks, particularly in modern martial arts such as karate and judo. However, there is no standard association of belt colors with particular ranks. Different schools and organizations assign specific colors in whatever manner they wish. It is common to see the darker colors associated with the ranks closest to black belts. It is also quite common for white to be the lowest ranked color, brown to the be last color before black, and green or purple to be a middle rank.

Dan rank

Dan rank (段位 dan'i) system is a Japanese mark of level, which is used in traditional fine arts and martial arts. Originally invented in a Go school in the Edo period, this system was widely applied for martial arts and later introduced to other East Asian countries.

In the modern Japanese martial arts, holders of dan ranks often wear a black belt. In Shorin Ryu you are awarded stripes for the additional Dan ranks even though there is no full rank after that. However, in certain martial arts such as iaidō, kendō or jōdō, no external signifier of rank is worn. Dan ranks are also given in arts such as the logical board games Go and Renju, the art of flower arrangement (ikebana), and tea ceremony.

The character of Dan (段, dan) means step or grade, but is commonly equated with degree. Dan rank is often used along with the lower rank system, Kyū (級, Kyū) rank.

There are other methods of assessing rank in Japanese martial systems, of particular note is the older, more obscure menkyo system.

History

Dan rank system was invented by Honinbo Dosaku, professional go player in the Edo period. Prior to the invention, top-to-bottom ranking was evaluated by each handicaps and tended to be vague. He valued then highest title holder, Meijin at 9 Dan.

Dan ranks were applied to martial arts by Kano Jigoro, the founder of judo. Kano started the modern rank system when he awarded shodan (the lowest dan rank) to two of his senior students (Shiro Saigo and Tsunejiro Tomita) in 1883. Even then, there was no external differentiation between yūdansha (black belt ranks) and mudansha (those who had not yet attained a grade). Kano began the custom of having his yūdansha wear black obi (belts) in 1886. These obi were not the belts karateka and jūdōka wear today — Kano had not invented the jūdōgi (judo uniform) yet, and his students were still practicing in kimono. They wore the wide obi still worn with formal kimono. In 1907, Kano introduced the modern jūdōgi and its modern obi, with white and black belt ranks.

The use of belts to denote ranks were used by different athletic departments within the Japanese school system, most notably for swimmers, prior to their adoption by Kano.

Modern usage in Japan

In modern times, a dan-ranked practitioner of a style is usually recognized as a martial artist who has surpassed the kyū, or basic, ranks. It is common in most styles that the dan ranked person is eligible to wear a black belt and can sometimes become a licensed instructor in their art. In many styles, however, achieving a dan rank means that while one is no longer considered a beginner, one is not yet necessarily an expert.

The total number of dan ranks is style-specific (1st through 5th and 1st through 10th are common in Japanese arts). The lower dan grades can normally be attained through a grading examination or sometimes through competition. The higher dan grades, however, require years of experience and contribution to the relevant martial art. This may be through instruction or research and publication. These grades can only be awarded by a higher-graded representative of the principal dojo or sometimes by a steering committee. There is no set achievement level that is universal. An important point to note about ranking systems is that they are specific to the school or style, thus the ranks achieved do not necessarily translate across martial arts styles. In fact, dan ranks do not necessarily indicate one wears a black-belt. Some styles do not use a black belt to indicate advanced rank, though this is by far the most common and recognizable symbol by the general public.

The highest dan ranks are sometimes reserved for the founder or leaders of a style and other high ranking students can only be promoted by them. This has led to upper level ranks becoming extinct in some arts. For example, in judo there are only three living tenth-level dans in the world and only fifteen have been promoted to the rank since its inception. In other styles the dan ranks are not the highest level that might be attained, with instructor certification and judge/judgment authorization being understood as higher-level or more sophisticated.

List of common ranks in Japanese

Many martial art styles have between one and ten dan ranks. The most common way of writing them is, ascending order:

1. shodan (初段:しょだん): first degree black belt
2. nidan (二段:にだん): second degree black belt
3. sandan (三段:さんだん): third degree black belt
4. yodan (四段:よだん): fourth degree black belt
5. godan (五段:ごだん): fifth degree black belt
6. rokudan (六段:ろくだん): sixth degree black belt
7. nanadan (七段:ななだん): seventh degree black belt (also, shichidan)
8. hachidan (八段:はちだん): eighth degree black belt
9. kudan (九段:くだん): ninth degree black belt
10. jūdan (十段:じゅうだん): tenth degree black belt

In certain styles, Shodan implies that all the basics of the style have been mastered.In Shorin Ryu, and a few other styles. Shodan Ho (Junior Black Belt) is applied to those who pass their test at an age under eighteen, and go through Ushi Deshi (Week in Hell). At Nidan in certain styles can one own their own Dojo, and is called Sensei. At Sandan in most styles the student is deemed capable of teaching independently as a teacher or instructor, also called a sensei. At Godan, the budōka may receive certification as a master level practitioner (Shidōin). Finally, Shichidan, or Nanadan allows the possessor to be called Shihan. Generally, the lower dan ranks are validated on the basis of knowledge and physical skill. The higher the dan rank, the more leadership ability, teaching experience, and service to the style play a role in promotion. For example, in British judo, to gain promotion from 1st to 5th Dan, judo players must demonstrate theoretical technique and competitive skill in graded competitions. Promotions from 6th to 10th Dan are awarded for services to the sport of judo.

Although the dan system is distinctly Japanese, it has been adopted by many other martial arts styles. The dan system and the well-known symbol of a black-belt have been absorbed into common usage to represent a person with above-average or highly-trained skills in a particular discipline.

Modern usage in China

Since 1998 the Chinese Wushu Association together with the National Sport Commission and the Chinese Wushu Research Institute has established a graduation system based on the following nine Duan levels:

Symbol - Duan Wei (level)

Beginning Level:

So-called basic duans for students with some years of experience.

1. Qingying - yi duan - Blue Eagle
2. Yinying - er duan - Silver Eagle
3. Jinying- san duan - Gold Eagle

Intermediate Level:

Middle-level duans for wushu students who are able to teach and have approximately 10 years wushu experience. Starting from 5th Duan there has to be proof of a scientific work in Wushu Research, i.e. publications.

4. Qinghu - si duan - Blue Tiger
5. Yinhu - wu duan - Silver Tiger
6. Jinhu - liu duan - Gold Tiger

Advanced Level:

Is only awarded to very experienced masters with excellent reputation in Wushu. The person awarded such a Duan is officially allowed to call himself "Grand Master".

7. Qinglong - qi duan - Blue Dragon
8. Yinlong - ba duan - Silver Dragon
9. Jinlong - jiu duan - Gold Dragon

For international standardization the Chinese Wushu Association has decided to use the Japanese word Dan instead of the Chinese Duan.

This graduation system is not totally new in Chinese wushu. In older days there have been graduations as mentioned in the Chinese Wushu-Encyclopedia (Zhongguo Wushu baike quanshu) or later at the Emperor's court.

Modern usage in Korea

Some Korean martial art schools use embroidered bars to denote different dan ranks, as shown on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd dan belts above

Korean martial arts lacked a grading system up until the Japanese occupation (1905–1945) during which a variety of Japanese martial arts were introduced in the Korean school system, most notably judo and kendo. After the occupation, newly emerging martial arts like taekwondo and hapkido continued using the dan (단) and geup (급) ranks. The dan rank system is also used by baduk players. Nowadays also the Korea Taekkyon Association issues dan ranks to taekkyeon practitioners.

Someone who has received a dan rank is called a yudanja (유단자).

In some Korean schools, most notably in Kukkiwon taekwondo, there is also a pum (품) system in place. Practitioners who have not reached the age of 16 yet, can not test for a dan rank. For them there is a system of four pum grades. After they reach the age of 15.5 their pum-grade can be changed to the corresponding dan-grade, although some organisations require the practitioner to take an additional exam. In Kukkiwon taekwondo one can test for pum-grades until the age of 18. Usually the belt worn by pum holders is a bi-color red and black belt.

List of common ranks in Korean

When numbering the dan ranks, Sino-Korean numbers are used. Common names for the dan ranks are thus:

1. Il dan (일단): first degree black belt (also known as cho dan (초단 hanja: 初段))
2. Yi dan (이단): second degree black belt
3. Sam dan (삼단): third degree black belt
4. Sa dan (사단): fourth degree black belt
5. O dan (오단): fifth degree black belt
6. Yuk dan (육단): sixth degree black belt
7. Chil dan (칠단): seventh degree black belt
8. Pal dan (팔단): eight degree black belt
9. Gu dan (구단): ninth degree black belt

Usually the dan ranks do not go past ninth dan, although on some occasions in some organizations a tenth dan (십단) has been issued.

See also

Martial Arts

References

Category:Japanese martial arts terms Category:Japanese words and phrases Category:Titles and rank in Japanese martial arts

br:Dan ca:Grau (arts marcials) da:Dan (grad) de:Dan (Kampfsport) es:Dan fr:Grade dan it:Dan (arti marziali) nl:Dan (sport) ja:段級位制 no:Dan (kampsport) pl:Dan fi:Dan-arvo sv:Dangrad uk:Дан (ступінь) zh:段级位制

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Request reason:

If you'll notice, I added the amount of Dan ranks needed to own your own dojo, and how many are needed to be called Shihan. These things weren't listed before. I added the info about the Ushi Deshi. Plus I merged the articles Dan, and Kyu. Thus I have completed my three tasks.

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These are not significant improvements. You cannot merge articles while blocked. — Sandstein (talk) 11:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I have completed the tasks given to me by Hersfold. I understand I broke a rule by merging Dan, and Kyu, but I didn't know until recently. I will proceed to seperate them after a few minutes.

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While you have obviously energetically entered into part of Hersfold's advice, I see no reason to believe that the underlying reason for the block (the personal attacks etc) have gone away. Sam Korn ^(smoddy) 10:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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Oh well...

I guess one mistake screwed me up forever.

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{{unblock|Please just give me one more chance. If I did do it again (which I won't) You could block me for the rest of my life. Obviously that is not what I want. Please believe me.}}.

An indef blocking like this is major overkill. -- Ned Scott 05:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

And demanding that you improve article edits as a part of the unblock criteria is excessive. Clearly, at this point, you should be unblocked. -- Ned Scott 05:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

You really think so? Well at least one wikipedian is on my side.

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speculation on Aang

Please stop adding speculation to Aang. If you continue to do so, your edits may be treated like vandalism. The actions taken can possibly lead up to blocking your account from editing. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

That warning might be a little harsh. Battoubro might not be familiar with our reliable source guidelines. –Gunslinger47 00:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I was just going with Chinese teachings about how the lack of balance causes chaos, and destruction.<font color="red">Battoubro</font> (talk) 02:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Reviewing the edits it question, it seems the key phrase was "some have speculated". Saying "some people" isn't very useful. This type of phrase is covered under Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words. –Gunslinger47 06:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello again, fellow 'pedians!

I'm back after being forcibly wikibonked by Yahoo. I will be adding my Martial Arts expertise to articles involving Japanese Karate-Do in particular.<font color="red">Battoubro</font> (talk) 08:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

If you want your signature to appear as Battoubro, then you should use [[User:Battoubro|<span style="color:red">Battoubro</span>]] for you signature. But you have to click "Raw signature" so it appears the way you want it to. モーモー^?_{talk to moo} 05:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)