AaronAlon

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Bully and COI, NPOV, and getting familiar with Wikipedia's in-house style and its policies/guidelines.

Hi there,

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed you've just pushed a draft to mainspace for a film that you appear to be heavily involved in the creation of. Beyond the obvious conflict of interest, there are some significant problems with the article, some of which I've addressed.

• You should read MOS:HEAD. Specifically, headings are in sentence case (so "Awards and nominations", not "Awards and Nominations"). Headings also never have citations in them.
• You should read MOS:FILM because film articles have a particular layout to them which does not start with production details.
• You should read WP:CITEIMDB because in nearly all cases, IMDb is not a reliable source to use here because, like with Wikipedia, anyone can make edits to it.
• You shouldn't use boldface and all-caps for emphasis: see MOS:BOLD and MOS:EMPHASIS.
• Song titles go in quotations: see MOS:MINORWORK.
• You really need more in the way of sourcing than your film's website and the film on Vimeo. So it premiered in Houston: was that premiere written up in local publications? That would be a start. Or you have it listed as selected in several festivals: those would similarly be sources to cite. Otherwise, especially for the awards/selections, you are essentially self-publishing them without 3rd party independent confirmation.
• Cast lists are usually limited to principal cast, not every single person who appears on screen, and certainly not non-speaking roles. Similarly, film articles do not include crew lists. In particular, film infoboxes only list cast who appear in the poster's credit block (so that they aren't, like the article's original, miles long). And they generally take the form of a list, not a table. In the infobox, you should use something like the template {{Plainlist}} to generate the list.
• You definitely need to read WP:PROMO. As the film's writer and director, you are pretty much the last person who should be contributing to this article on Wikipedia. However well-meaning you are with your edits, I cannot see many people believing you can even approach a neutral point of view on the subject.

If you continue, I would recommend you take a look at movie musical articles – like The Greatest Showman, La La Land, or Moulin Rouge! – to get a good sense of what established musical film articles look like. Unlike IMDb, Wikipedia is not an industry-related repository (hence the fact film articles don't list every single contributor)—it's an encyclopedia and a lot more selective about what gets included about its topics. You should also properly declare your COI on your user page (at the moment I think you have it in <nowiki> tags). —Joeyconnick (talk) 01:58, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply to Joeyconnick

Joey, thanks so much for the assist. I'm brand new to this and appreciate all of the help. I based my page formatting off of the formatting for the 2002 film musical, CHICAGO. I'm not clear how to properly declare COI on my user page. I thought that I followed the instructions, but clearly not. I'll continue to research that (or if you could point me in the right direction, that would be great!). As to your other suggestions, I've made a number of changes, including adding links to numerous external sources verifying this info. All awards are now verified with external sources. (Side-note: IMDb actually now uses a verification process where you have to provide a link before claiming an award/nomination, so it's a more reliable source than something that can be freely edited.) A few festivals are so recent, the official selections haven't hit the websites yet, but I'll update those soon with additional links. I understand your concerns about a neutral point of view, but I've restricted my entries to factual, verifiable information. All the same, I'll encourage people who aren't involved with the film to visit the page and make further checks and updates too. Thanks again for your help! --AaronAlon (talk) 03:48, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Aaron... you can do the declaration (I believe... I've actually never done one) by editing your userpage and removing the <nowiki> tags from around the {{UserboxCOI|1=Bully (2017 film)}} code. Oh... it also looks like you have to put a declaration on Talk:Bully (2017 film) as per WP:COI#How to disclose a COI.

Also, in general when replying talk pages, you would edit the same section (rather than starting a new one like you did here) and indent your reply using either : or *. * will produce:

• a bullet

And then, of course, sign your reply with ~~~~, but it looks like you've got that down. —Joeyconnick (talk) 01:27, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

COI disclosure

Hello, AaronAlon. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Bully (2017 film), you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the {{request edit}} template);
• disclose your COI when discussing affected articles (see WP:DISCLOSE);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Also please note that editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 11:06, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Bully (2017 film)

Hi Aaron Alon, pls do not remove the tags until the issues have been solved. You need to disclosure your COI. Do note Wikipedia strongly discourage editor with COI edit/add/create page in Wikipedia. 05:36, 8 July 2018 (UTC)