Elephantus

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Please express your feeling on the request for deletion of the Serbophobia article: [1]. While one side claims that the article was created as a "responce" to anti-Serbian propaganda and is in accordance to the other anti-ethnic terms; while the other side claims that the phrase isn't actually in usage and that it is (Greater) Serbian propaganda. Vote whatever you think is most appropriate... HolyRomanEmperor 11:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

za admina!

Pa sad je ognjic presao u vatru!

D

Pfft. --VKokielov 23:21, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Svrsila se stvar.

Onda ja kazem samo da ce mozda Holy vidjeti, sto mu je potrebno da bi promjenio odnos ljudi prema sebi. Ako ovo je uopce moguce. --VKokielov 08:38, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Listen up vandal

Aint nobody vandalising anything, if you call this site wikipedia neutral, then put what is neutral, as long as it says here that story on Tudjman may not be accurate, grow up!

V in Croatian

Re my phonologic edits on Croatian language: I won't insist on my version, but since the table is copied from Serbo-Croatian language, I suggest that the discussion is continued at that article's talk page. I doubt it's a phonological difference between our languages, but it might be so. The sources are contradicting though. Duja 12:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Yes, I have that in mind. Thank you for your warning.

Provjerio sam genealogije Ivana Gudnulica; on ima srpsko porijeklo, ali se prica zavrsava tu (nista osim porijekla). A za Rudjera Boskovica, molim te nemoj otvarati stare rane. Igor i Mir Harven su se prepucavali nedjeljama tu; sve dok Joy i Millosh nisu dosli i potvrdili da je on Srbo-Italijan. --HolyRomanEmperor 13:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Translation Help

I'm wondering if you could do a quick translation for me of Stevan Hristic on the Croatian wikipedia [2] into English. Or, if you have no time, can you direct me to someone who would do a quick translation into English? Thanks. Antidote 16:23, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Acusations, Rudjer Boskovic and Lika

You should, for a change; look for sources from now on. Please bear in mind that wikipedia is a free encyclopedia and not your own private ownership; also, please restrain yourself from making edits that are actually nationalist propaganda like on Lika and Rudjer Boskovic. You have also not reasons for sneakly removing sources and prominent individuals from Serbs of Croatia. Please be more careful in the future. Thanks you. --HolyRomanEmperor 13:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

House of Boshko

You appear to be edit warring the article House of Boshko. Instead of reverting changes, think about leaving the version you don't like in tact, and then discussing why it should be changed. Remember to cite sources. You haven't violated it yet, but keep in mind the Three revert rule policy. Have a nice day! --Commander Keane 03:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hi Elephantus. I've just discovered the range of articles on which you (and others) are determinedly editwarring.

Can I encourage you please to stop this now, and engage on the various talk pages? I can find very little evidence of this having been tried with any determination. Edit wars, especially the dry, sterile type here are disruptive to the usual functioning of Wikipedia and when conducted on so many fronts at once cause an unnecessary degree of wasted time and effort by all involved.

You seem to stay carefully inside the three revert rule, but I'd like to encourage you, in the strongest possible terms, to stick to a much higher standard than that. I wonder if I can help those you disagree with reach any kind of agreement? Warring on so many articles has got to stop, and pretty much immediately. Thanks. I'm going to leave similar notes with Asim Led and Nikola Smolenski too, as they also appear to be reverting on more than one article — I hope it does not come to me having to construct electric fences with blocks, but we should be clear that such an option must be considered, and considered very soon. Thanks. -Splash^talk 23:15, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Rudjer Boscovich

Hi Elephantus. Further to my message above, and your message on the mentioned talk page, I've written a note to you and Nikola Smolenski about how I'd like to proceed with working through the article. The section of disputed text is quite short, and I'm hopeful that, with an understanding that we're going to have to tolerate each other, we can work something out. I'd ideally like to finish up with a paragraph that presents both your viewpoint and Nikola's in robustly referenced ways. That way, everybody should be able to agree that somebody else actually said what is being claimed, without having to agree to it actually being correct of them so to say. Anyway, read my message at Talk:Rudjer Boscovich and see what you can do. In the spirit of moving forwards, I'd ask that you not revert the page again until we've completed this discussion. I'm going to leave Nikola Smolenski a similar message. Please do bear with the discussion; continued editwarring has got to stop, I'm sure you'll agree. Thanks. -Splash^talk 03:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Novi početak

Počeo je novi semestar, a onda evo tata je uzeo palicu u ruku, a mrkvu odložio na tavan. Ništa stoga; ja se s njim slažem. Internet je bolest. Čak i za mene, koji već ne posjećuje više nego pet-šest sajtova.

Vratit ću se čim budem imao vremena.

Hvala na odgovoru. Jel izvan prilike pisati tebi na hrvatskoj Wiki? Uzet ću to u obzir. --VKokielov 02:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Lastovo Article

Hello elephantus. I am new to wikipedia. I noticed on the Lastovo article you objected because of some POV problems in the history section. I agree with this and have argued against them, but user HolyRomanEmperor seems to be pushing a serbian agenda. Anyway if you have some time i would like some input, especially as to why you objected, maybe you could help me counter this or help me find someone who will remove some of this propaganda. Sometimes i hate how wiki is so easy to abuse. Hvala Uvouvo 00:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey, me again. If you get some free time please check out the Lastovo article. It is a lot different from when you voted last time, and i would be interested in hearing your opinion, and any tips you would offer would be great. I spent a fair bit of time re-writing this article, and i think it is much better now. Its back up as a FAC. Uvouvo 12:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Luka!

Jes to vidio?!

On izbrisal stranicu i postavil tekst v drugu!

Mislim da je doslo vrijeme za zajednicki konsenzus protiv njega. Ne vidim, da on razumije uctivi prilaz.

--VKokielov 20:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Co to za clowiekiem jestes?

Co w serbskiem kanalu piszesz po rosyjsku?!  :) --VKokielov 03:41, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Dost think highly of me? :D

Promotri "User contributions." :D

--VKokielov 17:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Constant Auto-tagging by you :-)))

Now, I'm not trying to be insultive, but could you try to solve at least one of the disputes that you open? I mean, couldn't you at least explain, like on Talk:Serbian Lands. The article might get deleted, if its doesn't supplements sources, naturally. You said I'm sticking a Totallydisputed tag here. Well don't. Solve the problems, tags are there to prevent editing during an ongoing discussion.

P. S. Why are you so harshly strangely aggressive? Pushing will get you nowhere. :O) You said see recent attempts at deleting Serbian nationalistic drivel that were defeated by mobilization of Serbian "voters" from sr.wiki and elsewhere

No, really, you gotta improve your attitude. It's really becoming hostile. :) --HolyRomanEmperor 20:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Stop removing content

Please refrain from removing content from Wikipedia, as you did to Tourism in Croatia. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Primadol 10:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Content dispute is not vandalism, I'm afraid. --Elephantus 10:11, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Removing valid material is vandlism. Please read wikipedia policies. The content that you dislike cannot be removed on basis of that, as Jimbo Wales has stated himself. Also, refrain form personal attacks WP:NPA

Read WP:NPOV and then come back. Also a bit of WP:NOT. And refrain form personal attacks yourself. --Elephantus 10:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I am not making personal attacks. Wikipedia policies are clear, WP:NPOV clearly states what to do with disputed content and removal is not it. Please read the policies CAREFULLY! Primadol 10:17, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Using capital letters in on-line discussions is impolite, as it is often likened to shouting in the real world. --Elephantus 10:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I ask viewers of this page an the User in here to ignore Primadol's edits. If this strange warning is to be taken seriously, the history of the Tourism in Croatia article has to be viewed as well as these two users' contributions. --HolyRomanEmperor 16:31, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Cool Down

Please deal with other contributions in a polite and constructive manner. Rude behavior is discouraged by Wikipedia policies. See Wikipedia:Civility. Thank you. Regards, Asterion 14:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Elephantus, the user Asterion is talented in irritating whomever does not agree with him/her. This is a tactic he uses to make wikipedians abandon the sites he likes editing. I would advice you to disregard his/her inflammatory comments. I've been a victim of these kind of attacks for some time now. It was disturbing until I decided to ignore this person completely. And yes, he interferes in all sorts of sensitive subjects. I guess he/she lacks attention and this way finds people who oppose him gladly. Ilir pz 20:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

3RR warning at article Tourism in Croatia

Please be aware of the WP:3RR - the rule which prohibits more than 3 reverts in 24h period. Consider yourself warned and please do not violate the rule. Mostssa 17:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

COTW Project

You voted for Lipovans, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. -Scottwiki 04:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Ivo Andric

Wasn't he a naturalized Serb, like Penkala (half-Dutch, half-Pole) a naturalized Croat? --HolyRomanEmperor 12:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Please stop

I'll chill off, naturally, thank you for the warning. But you must admit: your actions are getting very near to those of an internet troll. But only 5,6 of us (for now) think that, so do not take this seriously, but neither take it for granted. Please note that you have been constantly edit warring and tagging around the Wiki. Why would you keep up doing that? --HolyRomanEmperor 18:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I've explained everything by now (including the fact that my two brothers sometimes use this account), and I think that if one views our two contribution lists, he/she will conclude that you're not really the right person (for the time being, imrpovement soon, perhaps?) to judge whether I am POV or NPOV; I'm afraid eleph :). Anyway, if you're here to continue some arguements instead of changing, than there's nothing that I can really do. Good luck, chump! --HolyRomanEmperor 19:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

recently laying low? switching to Croatian wikipedia? heh... this is really getting funny. But, if you really think that you cannot talk, then I guess goodbye! I'll try to stay off your trail, but it won't be easy if you fire a too many fires. :))) --HolyRomanEmperor 19:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Werner Herzog no Croation

Werner Herzog background is Serbian. Worked with him on set of Cobra Verde and Nosferatu - not sure where you get your info but he is definitely no Croation. Actually he often criticized the Croats for their "fascist dancing" with the Nazis.

Salvatore Basile

A rather interesting POV remark, yet with not subsantial sources. --HolyRomanEmperor 19:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

First person witness is not a reliable source? I suppose you have evidence that Werner does not know about. Have you known him for 21 years as I have? Salvatore

Look, place yourself in our position. Would you believe if some annonimous wikipedian arrives here and says that he knows Donald Trump for 40 years, claiming that he's an ethnic Russian? What would the world be if we just blanty believed everything? (sorry Eleph for using your talk page to discuss). --HolyRomanEmperor 17:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Medule

I have not reverted more than 3 times.--Medule 00:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

thanks!

Posted by (^'-')^ Covington 07:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC), on behalf of the the AID Maintenance Team

I think you're wrong...

If the pages are protected, he'll either be forced to discuss what he's doing at the talk page, or simply abandon his efforts. HolyRomanEmperor 09:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

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I don't know what you exactly mean... I am using the Letopis popa Dukljanina (translated by S. Mijušković); Povijest Hrvata by Vjekoslav Klaić (book I), Povijest Hrvata u vrijeme narodnih vladara and Hrvatska povijest (books 1-3) from Ferdo Šišić; etc. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I started tracking down some vandalism

and discovered that you had already corrected them. Thanks Carptrash 16:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Dear Elephantus

Your user page was vandalized by some IP. I reverted your page. Yours, --VKokielov 02:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Name of the Homeland war

You might want to join the discussion here: [3]. I'm sorry for disturbance if you are not interested the discussion. --Dijxtra 12:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for Choosing Belgrade

Posted by (^'-')^ Covington 07:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the the AID Maintenance Team

Srpsko-hrvatski

Javljam ti se u vezi "rata" na stranici o Srbima u Hrvatskoj. Budući da se naježim na spomen "srpsko-hrvatskog", a nemam jako čvrst stav u vezi toga, a i mislim da si ti relativno neutralan u vezi te tematike, zanima me tvoje mišljenje.

Onako kako sam ja shvatio, Hrvati i Srbi govore istim jezikom. Naime, ako gledaš kako govori neki Slavonac, to je puno bliže govoru nekog Srbina iz Šumadije nego viškom čakavskom dijalektu.

Međutim, Hrvati imaju drukčiji književni jezik od Srba. Hrvati imaju Hrvatski, a Srbi Srpski i tu dolazi do razlike.

Ovdje je riječ o govoru Srba iz Hrvatske. Budući da je taj jezik neknjiževan, puno ga je ispravnije nazvati srpsko-hrvatskim, čak i hrvatskim, nego srpskim. Ja sam iz Drniša i kod nas se prije rata govor Srba razlikovao od našeg govora samo po tome što su oni upotrebljavali štokavsku ijekavicu, a mi "štakavsku" (znam da se to isto zove "štokavski") ikavicu pa mi je malo glupo da se taj dijalekt zove "srpski" kad je puno bliži hrvatskome. Srpsko-hrvatski mi u tom slučaju zvuči kao potpuno prihvatljiva opcija. Ispravi me ako griješim.

Pozdrav, Jakiša Tomić 18:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Jasno. Hvala na odgovoru. Jakiša Tomić 22:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Please observe The three-revert rule of Wikipedia on all articles, especially those you've been editing (reverting?) recently. Thanks. --Petrinja 19:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: CamelCase

Thanks for the note (I'll deal with it as soon as possible). All the best! --HolyRomanEmperor 09:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Request for Comments on Borovo Selo raid

Please add your statement on views at the top of the talk page in the designated area. Asterion ^{talk to me} 05:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

reply

that holds for you too. you and your clique of sock/meatpuppets push croatian POV! Nelodkan 09:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Neo-nacizam u Hrvatskoj

Zašto si vratio npov tag? Meni zvuči kao tendenciozno, ali su sve to ispravne činjenice. Jakiša Tomić 19:36, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Constitution of Croatia

Republika Hrvatska ustanovljuje se kao nacionalna država hrvatskog naroda i država pripadnika autohtonih nacionalnih manjina: Srba, Čeha, Slovaka, Talijana, Mađara, Židova, Nijemaca, Austrijanaca, Ukrajinaca, Rusina i drugih,

Where's the "inih" you mentioned? I believed you back there... --PaxEquilibrium 22:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

? Zasto su ga promijenili? --PaxEquilibrium 18:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

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