Template talk:Jctgap

Contradictory use of template

The description for this template says, "This is a template for generating an entry in a junction list or exit list when there is a gap in the route". So why is it not being used exclusively for route gaps? I want to use this "cross-hatching" background that I associate with temporary conditions. You might not want to see it, but I do, which is why I've tweaked my personal CSS to that effect. --  Denelson83  10:28, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

It's similar to the situation where {{jctbridge}}, {{jctrestarea}}, {{jctplace}} and {{jcttunnel}} all redirect into the same template. The primary purpose of this template is to display gaps in the routes of highways, but because the text can be customized, not all usages use the default "Gap in route" text. The cross-hatching does not work on some browsers, and it would not be appropriate in all cases because of the customizable text, so it's not appropriate to add to the template. Imzadi 1979 → 10:36, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

In looking over the first five articles that use the template based on the "What links here" link,

• Interstate 26 uses it to display "For continuation, see Interstate 26 in South Carolina: Exit list"
• Interstate 87 uses it to display "Southern extent of Adirondack Park" and "Northern extent of Adirondack Park" (although if the mileposts could be added, those should use the jctplace template.)
• New Jersey Route 162 uses it to display "State Route 162 begins at County Route 641" and "State Route 162 ends at County Route 603"
• Gardiner Expressway uses it to display "Gardiner Expressway continues west as the Queen Elizabeth Way" and "Gardiner Expressway continues east as Lake Shore Boulevard (formerly Highway 2)"
• New York State Route 17 uses it for various notes, some of which are in the them of the "Gap in route" terminology, some not.

In either case, the cross-hatching doesn't apply to most of these usages in the examples. Imzadi 1979 → 10:46, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Well then can we find a way to use the cross-hatching to refer to a temporary condition, by adding "class=temporary" to the code? A specific example is British Columbia Highway 17. There is a temporary gap in that route that will become filled in when the South Fraser Perimeter Road is completed. --  Denelson83  10:49, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

You'd have to amend MOS:RJL to allow such a color coding... currently that isn't permitted. Imzadi 1979 → 11:42, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Recent changes

I've restored this template back to the status quo ante. The first change involved switching from raw HTML to wikicode table formatting, but used the ! That generates a table header. That breaches MOS:DTT, so it was reverted. The second change restored wikicoding, but that didn't actually do anything. The third change places a background color, which breaches MOS:RJL. Colors normally need to be approved before hand, but in this case, it duplicated one of the existing colors for a totally different meaning.

In any case, this template should be at the same level of protection as the other junction list templates because it's all one interconnected series. That means consensus to make changes ahead of time. That would preclude good faith edits that cause MOS issues. Imzadi 1979 → 06:04, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I ignore your hoops and refuse to jump through them. A gap is more important than you're making it. --NE2 06:53, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

See immediately above. The template allows custom text, and not all usages are for gaps. Because of this, no assumptions about gaps can be made. Interstate 87 is one such article where this template is used for an alternate purpose, yet your changes have altered things in that article. Imzadi 1979 → 07:27, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, not all gaps are the result of road closures. Interstate 69 in Indiana has gaps because it hasn't been completed yet. Imzadi 1979 → 07:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

type=concur

This doesn't seem to work, despite there being code to handle it:

County	Location	mi	km	Destinations	Notes
huge 200-mile overlap; see I-25
1.000 mi = 1.609 km; 1.000 km = 0.621 mi

--NE2 22:04, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Since this template is supposed to be used only for gaps in a highway, you should probably use {{jctbridge}} (or one of its redirects). -- LJ ↗ 01:17, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

jctbridge is for bridges, jcttunnel is for tunnels, etc... how is this any less correct than those? --NE2 05:29, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

The default code for jctgap puts "Gap in route" in the multi-column span, and is apparently coded for only specific instances of colors with use of custom text (not sure if/where such uses are currently applied...). Jctbridge, et al., all allow for any text to be placed in the multi-column span, and are already set up for the concur color--so you can presently achieve the result you're looking for without requesting a coding change. -- LJ ↗ 08:52, 8 December 2014 (UTC)