- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by Theleekycauldron (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
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XiamenAir
A Xiamen Air Boeing 787-8 landing.
- ... that XiamenAir is the first Chinese airline to operate independently as an enterprise? Source: http://www.fjsen.com/zhuanti/2019-08/02/content_22572337.htm
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- Comment: My first En-WP DYK nomination: Translated from zh-wp, expanded from 14k characters to 51k characters.
5x expanded by Mikelolggmrox (talk). Self-nominated at 04:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC).
@Mikelolggmrox: Reviewing this. FYI, for future reference, what is counted is the characters of the text in the body, not the byte-size. In any case, article went from around 2,300 to 16,000 so that's good enough. Several issues otherwise:
- I am not comfortable with the "Frequent Flyer Program" as it is. The only source cited in the entire section is a pdf from the airline. I feel like this entire section, per WP:DUE, should be reduced to 1-2 sentences or even removed altogether. FYI, without that section the article is still expanded sufficiently for DYK.
- The last paragraph of the lead section also gives me a bit of a promotional/SYNTHESIS sense. I recommend removing it altogether.
- The article in general needs to watch for promotional-sounding words especially when citing primary sources, e.g. "Xiamen Airlines has made innovative breakthroughs in corporate organization"
- I took several sample sources, and I cannot find assertions made in the text. For example, fourth paragraph of the "History" section asserts that "citizens of Xiamen and overseas Chinese visiting their relatives could only travel by boat or train, and it took a lot of time for Xiamen to communicate with the outside world", not supported by the citation. This might have been WP:OR, or it might be my translate tool messing up.
Might want to do a go-through of the entire article to make sure it is up to editorial standards first. Juxlos (talk) 12:36, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- I deleted some text and charts that sounded like an advertisement, and I've added the source for the History section. -- B-MIKE -(Talk) 16:24, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Could you do a couple more passes? I still see a good number of such sentences and words, and while at it check for some copyediting for the punctuations. There are also several sentences that look like crude translations from Chinese and reads awkwardly in English. Juxlos (talk) 16:39, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- I fixed some sentences from "chinglish" grammar to sentences that are more comfortable to read for English speakers. -- B-MIKE -(Talk) 16:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Still not satisfied. The quantity of promotional-sounding prose in the article is still excessive. I think the article needs, effectively, a total rewrite before it will be eligible for the main page. Another reviewer may offer a different opinion, but I will not be passing this until said total rewrite has been done. Juxlos (talk) 15:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Nominator hasn't edited in two weeks and the requested rewrites have not been made. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
