- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 17:06, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
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Urban Jungle edit
... that in the Croatian driving game Urban Jungle, the player has to obey traffic laws? Source: [1] "URBAN JUNGLE je cestovna prometna simulacija u kojoj važe prometna pravila" - English: "URBAN JUNGLE is a road traffic simulation with traffic rules."
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Moved to mainspace by Daß Wölf (talk). Self-nominated at 03:06, 15 July 2017 (UTC).
Coin945 DYK review:
- New: The article fails on this criteria. Article moved from User:Daß Wölf/sandbox/Urban Jungle on July 12, 2017, and the pre-July 12th version to the current version is not a 5* prose increase.
- QPQ: Yet to be completed.
Until these criteria are fixed, I am unable to complete with the review. However I will comment on the other criteria below:
- The article is on a fascinating subject. I am happy that I have discovered this game thanks to your work.
- On a cursory glance, the sourcing appears to be sufficient. I am unfamiliar with these non-English sources but they appear to be reliable.
- The Earwig's Copyvio Detector tool came up with a violation likelihood of 0.0%!!
- Hook is fine, and supported by the source.
Good luck with getting the article eligible. :D--Coin945 (talk) 05:11, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Actually Coin, it does say on the criteria that anything worked on in userspaces only counts from the date when it is transferred into the mainspace where it is counted as new for DYK purposes. Therefore it is eligible on that count. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:14, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
- I agree with you there (regarding userpage transfers). However, though the article was moved into userspace in-between, I believe we should count both times the article was in the mainspace (before and after it was userfied. Prior to userfication it looked like this, and now a year later back in the mainspace it looks like this, not 5* longer. And the rules state that the current version needs to be 5* the length of the previous version. That's my interpretation of the rules anyway. Is this incorrect?--Coin945 (talk) 17:38, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
- Actually, the article was PRODded and deleted. I asked the deleting admin to userfy it to see if I could use some of the old text, but it was too fluffy and advertorial, so I got rid of it entirely here. So, if it counts for anything, I would've written the same text had I not asked for the undeletion of the old article. Daß Wölf 17:37, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- We seem to be dismissing one of the basic requirements here. The hook is not interesting -- almost boring. It's like saying the player has to drive safely. Isn't there anything else that can be said about the game that's more interesting? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 03:22, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Gwillhickers: Do you know any other computer games where the player has a time limit and has to drive a car safely? Daß Wölf 19:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
- We seem to be dismissing one of the basic requirements here. The hook is not interesting -- almost boring. It's like saying the player has to drive safely. Isn't there anything else that can be said about the game that's more interesting? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 03:22, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Even if this was the only game with a time limit and driving rules, the hook is still not very interesting, even if I liked driving games from Croatia.
See Eligibility criteria: "The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and interesting to a broad audience." -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:16, 24 July 2017 (UTC)- Pinging earlier reviewers Coin945 and The C of E to see what they think about this. (Also, I've done the QPQ, sorry for the delay guys). Daß Wölf 15:09, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Perhaps a slight wording change would help make the original hook more interesting:
ALT1: ... that in the Croatian driving game Urban Jungle, players are penalised for disobeying traffic laws?
- Alternatively, a different topic could be found. I was wondering about the victor of an Urban Jungle tournament winning free driving lessons, though I've been struggling with potential wordings. Here's one attempt:
- ALT2: ... that the prize in a tournament of the Croatian driving game Urban Jungle was free real-world driving lessons?
- Other possibilities include the features regarding receiving insurance payments for being hit by non-player cars, buying a game car with a loan, and sight-seeing as a pedestrian. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:48, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
- Two cents from an uninvolved editor regarding the original hook: "broad audience" does not mean "everyone". For example, on my DYK todo list is a pole vaulter who improved the national record by more than 50 cm. It is only natural that this fact can be interesting only to people who know something about pole vaulting, while others may be left wondering. People who recognize that 50 cm in pole vaulting is indeed a lot may legitimately be construed as a "broad audience", just as anyone with even basic familiarity with VGs in general will know that obeying traffic laws is a rare requirement in a driving game - still broad enough I'd say.
- That put aside, I like ALT2. GregorB (talk) 23:13, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
The original reviewer hasn't replied (pinged on 30 July), so I'm stepping in and approving ALT2: it's interesting, the ref checks out, and the article is new enough with the deletion. --Usernameunique (talk) 06:51, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
