Template:Did you know nominations/The light has gone out of our lives
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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 14:08, 23 March 2013 (UTC).
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The light has gone out of our lives edit
- ... that Nehru's eulogy for Gandhi following the latter's assassination is regarded as one of the greatest speeches in history?
- Reviewed: Martha Hackett
Created by Ashwin147 (talk). Self nominated at 05:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC).
- The article is new and long enough. The nominator reviewed another nomination. The hook is not to long.
The hook is not directly supported with source. The source says: William Safire's Lend Me Your Ears has just Gandhi's defence and Nehru's eulogy among the great speeches in history. which does not support the hook assertion. If hook assertion is correct (and I believe it is), it should not be a problem to support it with additional sources. Otherwise it should be reworded. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:24, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
- The article is new and long enough. The nominator reviewed another nomination. The hook is not to long.
- Antidiskriminator, I think it'll have to be reworded then. I just did some Googling and the speech is often cited in various books as an example of a great speech/ important speech of the 20th century/ speeches of Modern India, but not with the exact wording of the hook. How about this ALT: that Nehru eulogised Gandhi following his assassination through his speech The light has gone out of our lives? Will this work? Or can you gimme other suggestions? Ashwin147 (talk) 05:53, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
- If you have sources for "an example of a great speech/ important speech of the 20th century" assertion maybe the hook could be like this:
- ALT2: ... that Nehru's eulogy for Gandhi following the latter's assassination is regarded as an example of a great and important speech?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:24, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
- Help me drop this great/greatest/important line. I have added two more sources on it in the article and the Maybin and Lata books also analyse the speech for its greatness. I think a hook which doesn't focus on this might be better. Ashwin147 (talk) 18:11, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- The first of two additional citations lists this speech among "very important speeches". The second is personal website which is not reliable source. The book you mentioned, written by Janet Maybin contains hooky expression: "widely regarded as one of Nehru's immortal speeches". The hook could go like this:
- ALT3: ... that Nehru's eulogy for Gandhi following the latter's assassination is regarded as one of the immortal speeches?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:10, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- I like ALT2's wording better. Can we go with that? Ashwin147 (talk) 03:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- Comment whatever the claim, "has been called" or similar is lot easier to back up than "is regarded as". Johnbod (talk) 04:22, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
- The first of two additional citations lists this speech among "very important speeches". The second is personal website which is not reliable source. The book you mentioned, written by Janet Maybin contains hooky expression: "widely regarded as one of Nehru's immortal speeches". The hook could go like this:
- ALT3 ... that Nehru's eulogy for Gandhi following the latter's assassination has been called one of the great speeches of history? (first version, with tweaks) Johnbod (talk) 04:22, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
- Johnbod,that's a good suggestion on phrasing. I'll keep that in mind for future nominations and write ups. And yes, the new tweaked version also reads well, me thinks. Antidiskriminator, will this version do? Ashwin147 (talk) 06:33, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you Johnbod for your suggestion. I don't have time now to go trough article again to re-check it, but I will do it and complete my review within a couple of days.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:58, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Good to go. Thank you Ashwin147 for this very nice article. It was a pleasure to read it.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you Johnbod for your suggestion. I don't have time now to go trough article again to re-check it, but I will do it and complete my review within a couple of days.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:58, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- Johnbod,that's a good suggestion on phrasing. I'll keep that in mind for future nominations and write ups. And yes, the new tweaked version also reads well, me thinks. Antidiskriminator, will this version do? Ashwin147 (talk) 06:33, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
