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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Sozusagen grundlos vergnügt edit

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~~... that "Sozusagen grundlos vergnügt", a poem by Mascha Kaléko translated as "Call it Causelessly Merry", was first published in 1977 after her death?~~ Source: several

Reviewed: ~~to come~~ Lady Juliana (Agra)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:19, 28 October 2018 (UTC).

The full review is to come, but what do you think about these alternative hook suggestions?

ALT1 ... that the title of the poem "Sozusagen grundlos vergnügt" by Mascha Kaléko, published after her death in 1977, can be translated as "Call it causelessly merry"?
ALT1a ... that the title of the poem "Sozusagen grundlos vergnügt" by Mascha Kaléko can be translated as "Call it causelessly merry"?

Personally I find the translated title a more interesting fact than the poem being published after her death. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:15, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

As you like it. - Sadly, I found no other translation. This one is from a blog, and I am not sure about copyright. I am sure that we don't capitalise when we only give a translation, so changed that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

The article is new enough and long enough, and it is adequately sourced. It is neutral and free from close paraphrasing. As mentioned above, I don't really find the first hook interesting as it's very common for works to be published after the author's death. My issue with my own proposals is that the translation is cited to a Wordpress blog, and I don't know if the blog is run by a reliable source on the subject and/or is authorized to host the poem. However, I don't really see much else hook-worthy in the article so it could be our best option here. As I proposed ALT1 and ALT1a, a new reviewer is need to choose a hook here. QPQ is still pending, so this can't be approved until one is provided. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

No new reviewer is needed, as no new facts were added, just reworded. I am sure we can say without citation problem that it can be translated that way. I would probably have stayed closer to the Herman and said "So-to-speak causelessly merry", but that's very minor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

- The "published after her death" need a cite. Also, I agree the translation ref is not the best, if we are able to find another one we should likely switch it. Best, Mifter (talk) 01:25, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

I duplicated the ref to the sentence. - If I had found another translation, I'd happily used it. Help, anybody? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:31, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

- Length, Date (a little over, but not a huge issue), QPQ, and Earwigs check. Foreign language refs are AGF. Regarding the translation, I think the hook is OK to use it as it describes it as "can be translated" indicating that there are multiple plausible ways to translate the title (and this is the one we have a cite for, even though I agree it is not the best). From a quick search, it appears to be a plausible translation and because of that I believe would be ok. ALT1 and ALT1a approved. Best, Mifter Public (talk) 05:16, 19 December 2018 (UTC)