- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Jolly Ω Janner 03:32, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
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Pieter Baas edit
Pieter Baas in 2005
- ... that botanist Pieter Baas (pictured) was convinced that Queen Beatrix helped in the formation of the National Herbarium of the Netherlands, which the responsible Minister denied?
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Created by Crispulop (talk). Self-nominated at 11:33, 6 December 2015 (UTC).
New enough, long enough, neutral, well-cited; there are no apparent copyvio problems (article is drawn mainly from Dutch RS sources). The hook is short enough and accurately cited, as verified by an online Babylon translation into English of the inline citation source page (I am not a reader of Dutch). Image verified as free for use. QPQ done. We are GTG. Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 22:13, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
There is close paraphrasing in one of the English-language sources:- Source: His main interest is in the evolution of wood anatomical diversity and its significance in tree biology and global change research. Related interests are systematic and phylogenetic plant anatomy, microscopic wood identification, biodiversity and conservation, biohistory, and wood culture, and the role of botanical gardens in research and education.
- Article: Baas's main research topic is the evolution of wood anatomical diversity and its significance in tree biology and global change research. He is also interested in systematic and phylogenetic plant anatomy, microscopic wood identification, biodiversity and conservation, biohistory, and wood culture, and the role of botanical gardens in research and education.
- @Vesuvius Dogg:, are you able to run a few sources through Google Translate to see if text is also copied from the Dutch? Yoninah (talk) 23:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
- I think I've fixed the close paraphrasing problem as far as the English sources go, but no, I'm unable to run a translation from Dutch through Earwig, and I think (by definition) a translation does not create a close paraphrasing problem. Perhaps I should pass this review off to someone else, maybe, who reads Dutch and might offer a fresh perspective. My main concern was checking that the fact used in the hook was supported by Dutch sources, and it seems to be. Nothing more I can add here. Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 00:25, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
- [Copied from my talk page after being pinged by BlueMoonset] Problem is that the second source is unavailable, and it's not just the link in the article; going through a Google search doesn't work either. It's a pretty important source, for another reason also: I think one of the citations for ref. 3 is incorrect. Crispulop, look at your citation for Ritzen: that's not in the Mare article; my guess it's in the Bionieuws article, the dead one. [time ticking away] OK, the Beeld en Geluid reference can verify the Ritzen claims; perhaps that's what you had in mind.
BlueMoonset, I have looked at refs 1, 3, 4, and 6, and all the sentences sourced to it, and found no plagiarism/close paraphrasing/close translation. I will say, however, that I don't like the "felt" in the hook; "was convinced" is stronger. Crispulop, nice article--are you affiliated with Leiden? Drmies (talk) 05:08, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- The whole Bionieuws website seems to be down, a pity, I hope it reappears again. As for the hook citation related to Ritzen I indeed had the Beeld en Geluid ref in mind. The other refs are supporting the broader story there. I changed the hook per your suggestion, agreeing with what you said. Thank you for the compliment. No affiliation to Leiden for me. I just created this article as part of a personal effort to give all members of the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences an article. Baas being the next one in alphabetical order and easy to write about due to him having a more public role than others. Crispulop (talk) 17:00, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, per my previous review and and ther look-see, I think the DYK is GTG, I can't see any outstanding problems. I'll let you sign off on it, though. Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 22:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- Vesuvius Dogg, I have no intention of signing off, because that would require me to do my own review, and I don't have time for that. If you don't feel you can sign off yourself on the basis of your work and the other work, I'll call for a new reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:33, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
I'll sign off then, GTG. I don't see any problems. 23:01, 21 January 2016 (UTC)