Template:Did you know nominations/Monsters Among Us

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 18:50, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Monsters Among Us edit

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... that Jyoti Amge, the world's smallest living woman, makes her American TV debut in the American Horror Story: Freak Show episode "Monsters Among Us"?

5x expanded by Koavf (talk), Jack Cox (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 07:48, 16 October 2014 (UTC).

Created just in time, long enough but I dislike the hook. Freak shows are a thing of the past or should be, and Jyoti AmgeWP:bio applies Serten (talk) 20:59, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I have undone Serten's strike of the hook, since it seems to be based on nothing but personal preference (not sufficient reason for rejection) and am asking for a new review. I would like to make note, however, (pinging @Koavf: and @Shhhhwwww!!:) that the source for the hook fact does not specifically mention this episode. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 16:20, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

@G S Palmer: Fixed. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:33, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

WP Bio is among my personal preferences as well. I advise against that sort of hook. Serten (talk) 17:20, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

@Serten: I think you might mean WP:BLP, not WP:BIO. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 18:51, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Right. Serten (talk) 19:06, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

While I sympathize with the objection to the term freak show, Amge is the one who would presumably be most offended, and she voluntarily decided to take work on a show with that title. To say that we cannot mention her career choices and to second guess her own prerogative is awfully nannyish of us. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

New reviewer requested to do a more thorough review of the article (no checks appear to have been done to cover neutrality or close paraphrasing, and it would be useful to have confirmation that the hook is supported by inline sourcing), and to whether the name of the program in the hook, attached with the actress, is a BLP violation in this circumstance. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:40, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Article spun out from a redirect, so 1500 character limit applies - which it meets. Nomination is a few hours late but I am willing to waive this. QPQ is not needed because this is not a self nom. My main concern lies with sourcing. The entire plot section is unsourced (needs to link to a primary source, as per WP:MOSFICT), as is the lead. I do not have a problem with the association within the hook. The name "American Horror Story: Freak Show" is the name of the program she willingly participated in and not a specific derogatory label applied to the actress (although for wording I would use made instead of has). ~~The hook however is not fully cited - the sources given for the hook fact only mentions that she'll appear in the show's fourth season and not this actual episode.~~ Fuebaey (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Actually, the reference from People's magazine does mention that she'll appear in the season premiere - which this episode is. But it does also say that this is her "American TV debut" and the hook does not accurately reflect that. Fuebaey (talk) 11:40, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Note to Fuebaey: per MOS:PLOT, the plot section doesn't need to be sourced for DYK, though it can be: The plot summary for a work, on a page about that work, does not need to be sourced with in-line citations, as it is generally assumed that the work itself is the primary source for the plot summary. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:20, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Thanks for the heads up. That just leaves sourcing for the lead and hook. Fuebaey (talk) 16:29, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

@Koavf, Jack Cox, and Shhhhwwww!!: Is anyone still working on this nomination? Some areas require additional sourcing. Fuebaey (talk) 14:02, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

@Fuebaey: I just did what I thought was necessary. Isn't this too old for a DYK anyway? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

A nomination stays open until it's reviewed, then it can close if the nominator doesn't respond to outstanding issues or decides to withdraw. Since the nominator here hasn't been active recently, would you care to keep this open? The first two paragraphs need an inline cite. I don't usually ask for summaries to be cited but some of the facts are not cited elsewhere. Also, the source only refers to the actress' American TV debut. Could you tweak the hook to say that or propose a new one? Fuebaey (talk) 20:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Each section, except the plot, now has a reference --Esemono (talk) 23:52, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

I have tweaked the article and the hook to better reflect what the source says. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 15:55, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Made further tweak of "has" to "makes" in hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for the fixes. To finish up: Neutral with no apparent copyvio. AGF on the plot, which relies heavily on a primary source I haven't viewed (yet?), but other sources look okay. Hook is stated and cited. Fuebaey (talk) 19:47, 10 December 2014 (UTC)