- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:12, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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Kastner & Öhler
Interior of the store in Graz
... that today's chain of department stores Kastner & Öhler based in Graz (interior pictured), began as a shop for mercery in 1873 that was the first in Central Europe to introduce fixed prices which enabled mail order?Source: [1]
- Reviewed: to come
- Comment: Sorry, I missed a day in nominating. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 06:12, 14 August 2019 (UTC).
- Four statements in there which need referencing. I can see plenty of opportunity for good hooks though, so once we get the article up to scratch, this should be a breeze! (Oh, and once you've done your QPQ!!) The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:17, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- Fixed most of the "citation req" by a new ref which offers cute images! Dropped the coats of arms thing, as I couldn't find a ref. - I will be out for the day, singing on Fridays, so take your time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
- No QPQ yet, but looking at your original hook, it's a little complex, perhaps one too many clauses. I don't see "enabled mail order" explicitly mentioned in the article, although it is implied (I don't believe strongly enough for the [my] satisfaction of DYK rules). Another good fact is they "built the first department store in Austria-Hungary". If we are determined to stick with your initial suggestion, I'd write it as:
ALT1: ... that department store chain Kastner & Öhler, based in Graz (interior pictured), began as a shop for mercery in 1873 and was the first in Central Europe to introduce fixed prices enabling mail order?- Any thoughts? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:45, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that department store chain Kastner & Öhler, based in Graz (interior pictured), began as a shop for mercery in 1873 that was the first in Central Europe to introduce fixed prices and run mail order service?(I found a ref for saying first mail order in Europe even.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 18 August 2019 (UTC)- I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Betty Paul. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT2a: ... that department store chain Kastner & Öhler, based in Graz (interior pictured), began as a shop for mercery in 1873, and was the first in Central Europe to introduce fixed prices and run a mail order service? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:01, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
- good --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
- Alles in Ordnung. Pass! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:33, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
- good --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
- No QPQ yet, but looking at your original hook, it's a little complex, perhaps one too many clauses. I don't see "enabled mail order" explicitly mentioned in the article, although it is implied (I don't believe strongly enough for the [my] satisfaction of DYK rules). Another good fact is they "built the first department store in Austria-Hungary". If we are determined to stick with your initial suggestion, I'd write it as:
- Fixed most of the "citation req" by a new ref which offers cute images! Dropped the coats of arms thing, as I couldn't find a ref. - I will be out for the day, singing on Fridays, so take your time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
