Template:Did you know nominations/Iva Despić-Simonović
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
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Iva Despić-Simonović edit
- ... that Iva Despić-Simonović, court sculptor to King Alexander and Queen Maria of Yugoslavia, had to buy a cow to support her family during World War II and hide it in her atelier?
Source: "Ratna oskudica ih je primorala da nabave i kravu ...Despići su je na brzinu sakrili u atelje." Bašić 2009- ALT1:
... that Iva Despić-Simonović, Bosnia-Herzegovina's first sculptor, portrayed a queen and two kings, but that her friendship with royalty led to her arrest and imprisonment?
Source: " ... već u junu 1945. godine ona biva uhapšena i dospijeva u Istražni zatvor suda narodne časti." Bašić 2009
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- Reviewed: Mary Greyeyes
- Comment: I am not sure if the appropriate pronoun for the cow is "it" or "her", since cows are female.
Created by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 10:10, 25 May 2018 (UTC).
- @Surtsicna: As stated on cattle and other sources, cow as a generic synonym for cattle is accepted, so I guess "it" might be the more appropriate term here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:56, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Interesting life, in good sources, offine and Serbo-Croatian sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. Te me, was she really the only sculptor in the area between the wars? And where is she on the image? How do you feel about an infobox? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)- striking ALT1, as the original is more unusual --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:36, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- To be fair, the German-language source says she was the only Künstlerin, which is gender-marked and could be translated as sculptress. The Serbo-Croatian sources also use gender-marked language. This may or may not indicate that there was a male sculptor in the interwar Bosnia-Herzegovina as well. I have Googled for possible male sculptors but could not find any. In this period, it was common for Bosnian-born artists to move to Zagreb or Belgrade and spend their careers there. Despić-Simonović did the opposite, moving from Zagreb to Sarajevo upon marriage. We could say sculptress or female sculptor but a) "female sculptor" would suggest that there definitely was a male sculptor, b) my dictionary says: "When used in occupational terms like waitress, stewardess, and sculptress, the feminine suffix -ess is sometimes considered sexist and demeaning because it gratuitously calls attention to gender."
The image depicts the subject poorly, I know, but it is the only one I found that is definitely in public domain. She is behind the bust, in a white dress.
I am not strongly opposed to an infobox but I don't think it would add any value. Surtsicna (talk) 11:01, 30 May 2018 (UTC)- Künstlerin is clearly pointing at female sculptor, but if you say you couldn't find any male one, let's just leave it as is. If we get concerns, you could always just drop it, as not really important for her art. - Thanks for pointing out where she is ;) - I'll give it an inforbox then, for the vision-impaired and those seeking one fact quickly. (I formatted the line-break, to make coour rendering meaningful, - "br" makes everything following one colour,) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:33, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- As you like it, but I'd leave the atelier to be seen at a glance. We have organs pictured for organists, for example, showing a main workspace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:02, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- To be fair, the German-language source says she was the only Künstlerin, which is gender-marked and could be translated as sculptress. The Serbo-Croatian sources also use gender-marked language. This may or may not indicate that there was a male sculptor in the interwar Bosnia-Herzegovina as well. I have Googled for possible male sculptors but could not find any. In this period, it was common for Bosnian-born artists to move to Zagreb or Belgrade and spend their careers there. Despić-Simonović did the opposite, moving from Zagreb to Sarajevo upon marriage. We could say sculptress or female sculptor but a) "female sculptor" would suggest that there definitely was a male sculptor, b) my dictionary says: "When used in occupational terms like waitress, stewardess, and sculptress, the feminine suffix -ess is sometimes considered sexist and demeaning because it gratuitously calls attention to gender."
