Template:Did you know nominations/Edward Ford (physician)

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The result was: promoted by PumpkinSky talk 15:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Edward Ford (physician) edit

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... that Sir Edward Ford donated 2,200 of his own books to the library of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians?

Reviewed: 2011 LSU vs. Alabama football game

Created/expanded by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self nom at 02:58, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Possible ALT1: "... that Sir Edward Ford declared mosquitoes to be a worse enemy than the Japanese to Australian soldiers in New Guinea during the Second World War?" - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

No: Blamey said that. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:15, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, I mis-read. Sorry! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:56, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

There are some close paraphrasing concerns with the two sources most used in this article. Main examples are: from source 1

"he assumed command of the 1st mobile bacteriological laboratory which arrived in the middle east in march 1941" in the article and "given command of the 1st mobile bacteriological laboratory he arrived in the middle east in march 1941" in the source, and "He was educated at clunes higher elementary school he began working for postmaster general's department" in the article and "Educated at clunes higher elementary school he joined the postmaster general's department" in the source.

From source 2

"he was awarded a rockefeller fellowship to study at the london school of hygiene and tropical medicine, which awarded him a diploma of public health with distinction" in the article and "he was awarded a rockefeller fellowship. He studied at the london school of hygiene and tropical medicine gaining the diploma of public health with distinction" in the source. I'm aware that there aren't too many ways of expressing some of this information, but I think that these are too close for comfort. Mikenorton (talk) 14:08, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Rephrasing is beyond me. Each of these four examples consists of two facts which cannot be changed. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Fact1: Commanded 1st mobile bacteriological laboratory Fact2:It arrived in the middle east in March 1941
Fact1: Educated at clunes higher elementary school. Fact2: Joined the Postmaster General's Department
Fact1: Awarded a Rockefeller fellowship to study at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine Fact2: Earned a diploma of public health with distinction

None of the facts are copyrightable or paraphrasable. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:00, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll try to see if I can come up with a reworking for these three short sections that is further from the source but that you think still fits OK in the article and is supported by the sources. Mikenorton (talk) 20:00, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I've done that for the first two, I admit defeat for the last - they are pretty much just bare facts. In reworking the Mobile Lab bit, I changed it to Ford arriving in the Middle East rather than the lab, which may have been there already. My (admittedly imperfect) understanding of close paraphrasing is that it's about the structure of the writing as well as the actual content. If you're OK with the changes, even if you think that they're pointless, then I'll get back to the review. Mikenorton (talk) 20:51, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

No, that is fine! Thank you very much for your help. I am pretty certain that he arrived in the Middle East with 1MBL, so I changed to wording slightly. Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

The article meets length and date criteria and is well cited. I've rechecked for close paraphrasing after some reworking of the highlighted sections and am (fairly) confident that any similarities now are acceptable as the listing of bare facts. The hook is interesting (to me anyway) and short enough and is cited to a source that supports the fact (although you can only see the first page without paying, this fact is on that page). The PD picture of Ford in the article could be used with the hook, if anyone wants to add it. Mikenorton (talk) 10:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)