Template:Did you know nominations/Die Hamletmaschine (opera)

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 23:19, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Die Hamletmaschine (opera) edit

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... that the opera Die Hamletmaschine by Wolfgang Rihm (pictured) has been described as "a total theatre of sound and nonnarrative, ritualistic drama"?

Reviewed: Fatinitza

Created by Voceditenore (talk), Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC).

Technically, the sourced point in the article is that it seeks "a total theatre of sound, etc." Is this close enough? Personally, I'd go with something a little less subjective, like:

Alt1: ... that the opera Die Hamletmaschine by Wolfgang Rihm (pictured) uses three actors to portray the main character, Shakespeare's Hamlet?

Other than a quibble about wording, sources look good (albeit AGF'd as to content, as many are offline or German) and it's a pretty strong article, that makes me rather want to see the opera. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 05:07, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

ALT is a good direction, but it's two actors and a singer, and it is not exactly Hamlet - the first one rather an old actor who played the role once, - two complicated for simplifying DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
What do you think of this?

ALT2: ... that the "title role" of the opera Die Hamletmaschine by Wolfgang Rihm (pictured) is performed by two actors (Hamlet I and II), and a singer (Hamlet III)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

You should probably include the fact about the old actor in the article. As to the hook itself, I'm not sure naming the numbers add anything to a DYK hook. Also, in the article, you use "paraphrase of Hamlet" when, if that's true, it gets more complicated. But that's an article issue we can deal with there. What about just:

ALT3: ... that the "title role" of the opera Die Hamletmaschine by Wolfgang Rihm (pictured) is performed by two actors, and a singer?

Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 11:33, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

In general, I like things simple, but here I think the numbers add quirkiness and raise curiosity. ALT3 also lacks the link to the Shakespeare play. The actor/role question is complex and ambiguous, hard to say even in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

ALT4: ... that in the opera Die Hamletmaschine by Wolfgang Rihm (pictured), Marx, Lenin, and Mao appear as Ophelia's doubles? Voceditenore (talk) 13:53, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I've expanded, copy-edited and further referenced the article to support ALT4 which is both intriguing and avoids the very complicated situation of the "three Hamlets", which is currently not sufficiently elaborated in the text to be effective as a hook. Note that in the background section, the sentence beginning Hans Mayer reminded in his "Laudatio"... is completely incomprehensible. It either needs to be rewritten or removed, otherwise, the DYK might get pulled, even it does pass here. Note also, Adam, that a reviewer cannot accept a hook which he/she has proposed, and the DYK would then need a second reviewer. It's one of those arcane DYK rules, that caught me out once when I was reviewing a DYK. Voceditenore (talk) 13:53, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for expanding! I dropped the "German" sentence, no time right now to elabote. I like ALT4! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Alt4 looks good, and reference checks out. This should be fine for DYK.

. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 14:30, 26 July 2013 (UTC)