- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:25, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
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Dafydd Gibbon edit
Dafydd Gibbon in Poznań, 2010
... that Dafydd Gibbon (pictured) started his academic career in London Baptist Students Society?
- Comment: This is a website created on 16th April 2018.
Created by Jolanta Bachan (talk). Self-nominated at 17:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC).
Apart from the fact this was moved into the wrong template space. Created 16th April, nominated 24th April. this is outside the 7 day window thus is ineligible. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:26, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
We can certainly give one day leeway to a new DYK nominator. However, the article is tagged for primary sources. Can you improve the page with secondary sources? Yoninah (talk) 20:53, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
- @The C of E and Yoninah: The nominator hasn't edited since May 22, so it might be possible that the issues may not be resolved soon. As for the hook itself, I think it needs to be rejected: for one thing, the society doesn't even have a Wikipedia article, and it frankly feels bland. Going to his article, there are a few other things about him that could be hook worthy: one was that he was both a "Linguist of the Day" and a "Featured Linguist". Another, possibly more interesting hook for the general public, is that he has published on European, African, and Asian languages: sure he's a linguist, but that variety might catch readers' attention. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:33, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: This isn't an abandoned nomination; in fact, the nominator made those changes on May 22 and is waiting for me to respond. I will do so later. Yoninah (talk) 10:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: The nominator has added additional sources to the article. @Jolanta Bachan: As for the hook itself, I'm afraid I've struck it since it's not really that interesting or hook worthy. Please suggest another hook based on the article text: my comment above has some suggestions for hook bases. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:05, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Dear Yoninah and Narutolovehinata5, I added another external source for the article of Dafydd Gibbon. Now there are 5 primary sources and 9 external sources. I don't know what else I could do to removed the tag for primary references. Jolanta Bachan (talk) 10:03, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- There are so many primary references here that I'm ready to tag this for lack of notability per Wikipedia standards (please read that page). The lead says nothing about his notability, just facts about his academic career and publications, which many other professors share. Rather than cite facts to his CV, can't you cite them to independent sources? Has he been interviewed by newspapers? Has his work been written up in magazines or journals? I wonder if you have a personal interest in posting this page. I did some editing on the article. Yoninah (talk) 21:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Yoninah! I am so surprised by the strick comments on English Wikipedia. I did the website in Polish and the experienced Wikipedists were content. The professor is well known in the field of linguistics, computational linguistics, and phonetics, was the editor of 3 handbooks published by Walter de Gruyter, received the medal of Ivory Coast, the medal of Adam Mickiewicz University, and supervised over 20 PhD theses of people from all over the world. This means he is well known in the field and maybe someone else could evaluate his notability. Is Wikipedia only for celebrities who appear on "breakfast programs"? On ResearchGate he has over 1000 citations and over 7000 reads. And ResearchGate is much younger than his work and people who he educated. I looked for articles or interviews with him, but he lives in Germany and it was a bit difficult to find on German sites, not to mention I wouldn't find online articles which appered 30 years ago in newspapers. Greetings from Poland. --Jolanta Bachan (talk) 22:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I'm not seeing how he meets any of the criteria under WP:PROF. Most of the information here is sourced to his curriculum vitae. I don't see independent sources. I don't see significant awards. I'd like to call on another editor to re-review this. Yoninah (talk) 21:55, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
- I heard that is much easier for a criminal to become notable than a prof. Let's see, Jolanta. I meet a man who is international demand, awarded honours. Can you use this review? I began a section External links, - can you put the links from Biographical there, with publisher and date when available? For a start. More tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- ps: Be optimistic and word a hook. The one on top is boring, sorry ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Jolanta, how can we proceed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
- The primary tag is a problem and I can't myself see through the refs accurately, it could run through AfD to get more eyes on them? I reckon it'll survive, just about, but best to know for sure. Szzuk (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- NOTABILITY: That he has been the subject of a Festschrift in his field is sufficient to establish notability as an academic: therefore Language Development beyond Borders. A Festschrift in Honour of Professor Dr. Dafydd Gibbon establishes notability. @Yoninah: I agree that the use of primary sources is an issue, and I will do some digging to see what can be found (e.g. From the 9th Speech Prosody conference, Poznań, Poland, on 13-16 June 2018. I would propose the following: Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk)
- I've done what I can to find independent confirmatory sources. The weakest areas are his early childhood and education which tend to be dependently sourced, but that's not unusual for a living person. I was able to find independent confirmation of his professional involvement. @Jolanta Bachan: If anyone has access to the festscrift, then adding citations from that would be helpful. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 19:12, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Dafydd Gibbon (pictured) is particularly concerned with endangered languages and has received awards from the Ivory Coast, Nigeria and Poland? Source:[1]
- Mary Mark Ockerbloom, thank you so much for sourcing and expanding!
- the image is licensed and a good illustration. You might add "linguist" but perhaps better not ;) - Some wishes for the article:
- no need for refs in the lead, as long as the (summarized) facts are sourced in the body
- some "paras" in the bio section are short, - is combination possible?
- the "biographies" might be better as "external refs" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:19, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Excellent suggestion on the external refs; I've moved them. Think of short paras as a hint that someone could expand them :-) Also they work better on for visually challenged readers and mobile devices than extremely long paras. The lead refs are needed for the concise hook fact and for any facts not repeated later on. Enjoy! Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 12:50, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
