Template:Did you know nominations/Body horror

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:21, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Body horror edit

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~~... that Mary Shelley, author of Frankenstein, created not only the science fiction genre, but the body horror genre as well?~~
- ALT1:~~... that Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer, a film in the body horror genre, helped convince the MPAA to create the NC-17 rating?~~
- ALT2:~~... that the body horror film Human Centipede has been censored or banned in several countries?~~

Reviewed: This is my first nomination.
Comment: Article created in my userspace on March 1, moved to mainspace on March 15.

Created by Itherina (talk). Self-nominated at 02:34, 21 March 2018 (UTC).

New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in online sources. I don't see the first hook fact in the article; could you point it out to me? I prefer the first hook over the others, which divert the focus to films rather than the target article.
Regarding the article: I added a few "citation needed" tags. I don't understand why you're listing writers, directors, and artists in separate sections, and also the names of pertinent works in separate sections, without any sourcing. These examples should be put into prose paragraphs in the relevant sections ("Examples of films in the body horror genre include ..."), with a citation at the end.
While the article is start-class, it reads like a series of snippets from various books and authors. I notice a talk-page suggestion for fleshing out the presentation under social and cultural influence. Do you have more to add to this?
No QPQ needed for first-time nominator. Yoninah (talk) 21:22, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello Yoninah. Thank you for your response! I'll go ahead and clarify a few of the questions you posted above.

First, the Mary Shelley hook is referenced across two separate sentences, which can be found in the first two sentences fiction subsection of History. I see how the second sentence doesn't necessarily clearly or plainly state that Science Fiction was created my her, but was instead only implied. I'm definitely happy to clarify these sentences if you agree it isn't particularly clear in order to make the hook more representative.
Second, the feedback regarding removing the bulleted lists in favor of narrative was also provided to me earlier within a wikipedia academic fellowship pilot I'm currently participating in, and will be edited soon to reflect the feedback received.
Finally, this article will be an ongoing project and will be receiving substantial edits and improvements in the future, especially within the history section and social/cultural areas suggested in the talk pages. This is also in part the result of the fellowship pilot which is helping involve academics in the wiki editing process, so many of my questionable choices within the article are definitely a reflection of my newness to the process and adjustment from academic to encyclopedic writing styles. Any feedback or further changes or edits are much welcomed! Thank you. Itherina (talk) 00:22, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, the page is looking good. Regarding ALT0, the new offline hook corroborates that Shelley is associated with the body horror genre, but the article doesn't state the first part of the ALT0 hook, that Shelley "created the science fiction genre". This cannot be implied; it must be stated and sourced.
The ALT1 hook is not really accurate; the film didn't do the convincing, it was just one in a series of films that led to the ratings change. I edited that in the article.
I don't find ALT2 hooky at all.
Regarding the hook, would you like to lift a different fact from the article, or would you like me to suggest something?
Housekeeping notes: You have some sentences that consist entirely of a quote, without any attribution. As you can see in the Mary Shelley description, I attributed the quote to "Halberstam says". You should do the same with the other sentence-quotes. There's also a "citation needed" tag under the Television section. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:19, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Yoninah, since I'm so new to the process and am not completely familiar with best/accepted practice would you feel comfortable suggesting a good hook for the article instead? But if you prefer one generated by the article author I'm happy to try my hand at a few more as well. Regardless, I absolutely see your concern with the ALT0 hook and also its source material, so I am planning on fixing the article text to reflect more encyclopedic standards and have clearer langauge. I'll also comb through and fix attribution errors as well; thank you for the feedback on that end, it's much appreciated :D!Itherina (talk) 23:44, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

OK, here's something. There's not much description to work with in the article.
ALT3: ... that body horror, originally a subgenre of horror films and literature, now appears in video games, comics, anime, and manga? Yoninah (talk) 20:31, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Please note the "citation needed" tag under Television and either add a source or delete that sentence. Yoninah (talk) 20:31, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

There has been no response to my request for nearly a month. Now I see that the nominator has not edited on Wikipedia since April 29. In the interests of moving this forward, I've deleted the unsourced sentence mentioned above and ask another reviewer to approve ALT3. Yoninah (talk) 21:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

The statement is interesting and is mentioned in the article; it's cited to an offline source so AGF accepted. ALT3 is now approved. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)