Template:Did you know nominations/Annalisa Crannell
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:39, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
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Annalisa Crannell
edit- ... that Annalisa Crannell brings chopsticks to art galleries as a tool for finding vanishing points? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Romulea tortuosa
Created by David Eppstein (talk). Self-nominated at 02:03, 17 February 2018 (UTC).
Article is new enough and long enough. Not sure I see "water waves" or "nuclear physicist" in the sources. I take that we are absolutely clear that the Facebook account and CV are hers? I am not seeing Bryn Mawr College either. No copyvio or plagiarism that I can see. Hook is interesting and sourced. I note a lack of personal life information in the article beyond her early career. QPQ is done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:12, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- The "water waves" of the lead is a summary of later sourced material, her doctoral thesis, whose title refers directly to the Boussinesq approximation (water waves). The "Women in Maths" interview includes the quote "My dad was a nuclear physicist". The Facebook account is not hers (if it were it wouldn't be a secondary source) and is not stated in our article to be hers. The CV came from a link from her faculty page and matches in its particulars what else we know about her. Bryn Mawr is from her cv. And re personal life: she is not a celebrity (someone known for their personal life) but a mathematician (known for her mathematics) and therefore a focus on her mathematics rather than her personal life is appropriate. Also (unsurprisingly given her profession) sources about her mathematics are more plentiful than sources about her personal life. We do have a major-newspaper story about how she divides her housework with her husband but it would be an insult to her as a professional to discuss this in any detail in the article. And none of this relates to DYK rules. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
The lack of a personal life section is fine, but using a third party Facebook page in what looks like a BLP seems contrary to WP:BLPSPS. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:38, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- No more than using any other third-party source rather than relying only on primary sources. It is not a personal facebook page, but a community devoted to information about Women in Mathematics, listed as such e.g. in this collection of online resources on women in mathematics, or maybe even more authoritatively in this listing by the International Mathematical Union. THey are merely using Facebook as a web host (wouldn't have been my choice, but it's not my site). —David Eppstein (talk) 20:40, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- A source being third party does not by default make it more reliable and third-partyness has little to do with WP:PSTS (which I think too many people misunderstand, anyway, such as assuming that primary sources are disallowed in BLPs which is partly not the case); in fact the only guideline I know for that calls for third party sources is WP:GNG. Regarding the Facebook page, is it somewhere associated with these groups, such as on their own page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:46, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know what point you're trying to make here or how you think the article should be changed, so I'll repeat: information in direct quotes from the subject, in an interview with the subject, published in an established web community with multiple contributors whose authoritativeness is attested by other established communities including the major international society of mathematicians, in no way constitutes a self-published source nor a violation of BLPSPS. You are being led astray because Facebook. Look at the community that published this interview, not at the web hosting company they chose. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I don't know if that would be an appropriate way to source a quote about a living person. I'll ask on WT:DYK. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:04, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
since the "Women in Maths" community apparently is a reliable source. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:08, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I don't know if that would be an appropriate way to source a quote about a living person. I'll ask on WT:DYK. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:04, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know what point you're trying to make here or how you think the article should be changed, so I'll repeat: information in direct quotes from the subject, in an interview with the subject, published in an established web community with multiple contributors whose authoritativeness is attested by other established communities including the major international society of mathematicians, in no way constitutes a self-published source nor a violation of BLPSPS. You are being led astray because Facebook. Look at the community that published this interview, not at the web hosting company they chose. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- A source being third party does not by default make it more reliable and third-partyness has little to do with WP:PSTS (which I think too many people misunderstand, anyway, such as assuming that primary sources are disallowed in BLPs which is partly not the case); in fact the only guideline I know for that calls for third party sources is WP:GNG. Regarding the Facebook page, is it somewhere associated with these groups, such as on their own page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:46, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- No more than using any other third-party source rather than relying only on primary sources. It is not a personal facebook page, but a community devoted to information about Women in Mathematics, listed as such e.g. in this collection of online resources on women in mathematics, or maybe even more authoritatively in this listing by the International Mathematical Union. THey are merely using Facebook as a web host (wouldn't have been my choice, but it's not my site). —David Eppstein (talk) 20:40, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- The "water waves" of the lead is a summary of later sourced material, her doctoral thesis, whose title refers directly to the Boussinesq approximation (water waves). The "Women in Maths" interview includes the quote "My dad was a nuclear physicist". The Facebook account is not hers (if it were it wouldn't be a secondary source) and is not stated in our article to be hers. The CV came from a link from her faculty page and matches in its particulars what else we know about her. Bryn Mawr is from her cv. And re personal life: she is not a celebrity (someone known for their personal life) but a mathematician (known for her mathematics) and therefore a focus on her mathematics rather than her personal life is appropriate. Also (unsurprisingly given her profession) sources about her mathematics are more plentiful than sources about her personal life. We do have a major-newspaper story about how she divides her housework with her husband but it would be an insult to her as a professional to discuss this in any detail in the article. And none of this relates to DYK rules. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
