Talk:Zappas Olympics

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where's the dyk, sign?Alexikoua (talk) 07:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

The Olympic Games Sponsored by Zappas

The Olympic Games sponsored by Zappas were the first modern Olympic Games. They were also the first modern international Olympic Games.

Claiming that they contributed to the re-birth of the Olympic Games that was master-planned by Baron Pierre de Coubertin and the International Olympic Committee after Zappas paid for the refurbishment of an ancient stadium to host them (after two Olympic Games had already been hosted in the stadium in 1870 and 1875) is ridiculous.

Zappas is the earliest serious founder of the modern Olympic Games. Baron Pierre de Coubertin is a founder of the modern Olympic Games who founded the International Olympic Committee in 1894. The same Baron who shamelessly made the Olympics a side-show to Expositions, World Fairs and Exhibitions because the Baron didn't have the cash to build a stadium. So the athletics games which are the Olympic Games was taken from its home country to be paraded next to industrial exhibits and freaks.

There would have been no Games in Athens in 1896 and 1906 without the Panathenian stadium that Zappas refurbished. There would have been no successful games in Athens in 1896 and 1906 without the prior experience of organising three earlier Olympic Games in 1859, 1870 and 1875.

The facts are the facts and Baron Pierre de Coubertin's hindsight does not carry weight. Particularly since a Greek Olympic Committee also organised the 1896 and 1906 Olympic Games and particularly since a Greek IOC President (the first IOC President), Dimitris Vikelas presided over the 1896 Athens Olympic Games. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 05:03, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Athletes attended these international (and multinational) Olympic Games from Greece, the Ottoman Empire and Crete

Young (1996) cites on p. 22 and p. 44 & 45 that athletes attended from towns and cities in Greece, the Ottoman Empire, and from Crete. Crete's membership of the Ottoman Empire was tenuous at best. Crete was in and out of the Ottoman Empire as a result of regular revolts and was an independent country prior to 1913 (and for all time prior to being compelled (or persuaded) in to joining various empires). And in many cases Crete was ruled by Cretans because that was the only way that revolts could be avoided. Therefore Crete is worthy of mention since it was in and out of the Ottoman Empire on a regular basis. Prior to 1913 the vast majority of Cretans had Cretan nationality and Greek ethnicity. It only takes two athletes from two different countries to make an event an international. Any athlete that attended these Games from outside of independent Greece was an international participant of these Olympic Games. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 00:28, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Legacy section

The section titled "Aftermath and influence on the rebirth of the Olympics" is problematic. First, the title contradicts the article, since a previous section on the Zappas Olympics is titled "Revival of the Olympics". The Olympics can't be reborn after being revived!! Clearly they were revived by Zappas and later *transformed* into an international event by Coubertin. As another poster on this page has commented, Coubertin did not actually revive the Games. The article should not leave the impression that he did. My second problem is with the content of that section. This is an article on the Zappas Olympics, so a section on legacy and influence should focus on the Zappas Olympics. Instead, most of this section is on the Wenlock Olympic Games. 69.196.140.226 (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually even the title Zappas Olympics is a neologism, the name of the event was Olympia (based on the ancient olympics games which were called Olympia). I strongly suspest that the Zappas Olympics title got reproduced outside of Wikipedia already and now is cyclically referenced as a source by Wikipedia back and forth. Gts-tg (talk) 15:24, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Soustos?

No entry with this name (as a founding father of modern olympics?) Lonaïs Velanidia (talk) 05:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)