Talk:Women's Candidates Tournament 2024

World Cup spots

Despite Goryachkina getting into the semifinals, remaining top 4 finishers are not yet locked into the Candidates. The replacement spot first goes to the January 2024 ratings list:

"If the FIDE Women’s World Champion 2023 and/or one of the players qualified via tracks A or B is (are) among these three qualifiers, the unallocated spot(s) shall, in order of priority:

- be awarded by rating (The spot shall be awarded to the player having the highest standard rating among non-qualified players in the January 2024 FIDE rating list, provided she has played at least 30 games rated in the FIDE standard rating lists from February 2023 to January 2024) ;

- be awarded to the player who finishes 4th in the FIDE Women’s World Cup 2023 (if she has not qualified via tracks A or B);

- became (an) additional spot(s) at the FIDE Women’s Grand Swiss 2023."

(https://handbook.fide.com/files/handbook/QualificationForWCT2024.pdf) 31.183.186.92 (talk) 16:08, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Is it mean that maybe Hou Yifan to be qualifiers as be awarded by rating. So finishes 4th in the FIDE Women’s World Cup 2023 is not be ensure to be qualifiers of Women's Candidates Tournament 2023–24 as she only to be 2nd priority after the highest standard rating ?. 221.127.95.51 (talk) 17:03, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah. -Koppapa (talk) 06:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Hou Yifan has not played 30 standard rated games since February 2023, so she would not be eligible as a rating qualifier unless she plays more. 66.223.148.93 (talk) 06:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

However, it's not clear if her being ineligible is already enough to revert to the World Cup 4th place for the spot - or is the spot offered to the highest rated eligible. Either way, unless Goryachkina finishes 4th, the 4th place spot from the World Cup won't be confirmed until at least February. 31.183.186.92 (talk) 08:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I think it is about the highest rating and not about 2nd or other high rating. Or otherwise it is meaningless of that make a high rating (Humpy Koneru, Alexandra Kosteniuk) to be qualifiers as she canot via any wat to be in.

So it possible either Hou Yifan if she played enough games but truely i don't think she wants. Or just let 4th in the FIDE Women’s World Cup 2023 be qualifier which same like as last year.

Also if there any spot left for qualifier, it can be just like last year to given to the highest rating criteria E 221.127.95.51 (talk) 11:36, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

This is the third time the "qualified" list needed to be reverted now, people put it in every night. When would a page qualify for protection? 31.183.186.92 (talk) 23:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

It will resolve itself today or tomorrow. No need for protection i think. -Koppapa (talk) 07:03, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Goryachkina reached finals, so only 2 WC qualifiers, and one by rating A3811 (talk) 11:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, correct. Although the way the regulations are worded that's Hou Yifan. And if she doensn't reach 30 games, spot will go to 4th in world cup again. I mean, the 30 games are irelevant really, as she will not enter the women's cycle anyway. -Koppapa (talk) 11:42, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I think it better to state out the Qualification is the top three finishers in the Women's Chess World Cup 2023. But as Goryachkina is one of the top three finishers, so the spot would be replaced by rating or 4th in the FIDE Women’s World Cup 2023.

Otherwise it seems that people maybe misunderstand that Qualification for the FIDE Women’s Candidates Tournament 2024 is 2 spots – FIDE Women’s World Cup 2023 and Highest rated female player that is not criteria for the flow 221.127.95.51 (talk) 16:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, a note was added with an explanation A3811 (talk) 20:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Here's my reading of the regulations. Hou Yifan is the highest-rated player, so she qualifies, as long as she plays 30 rated games. If she doesn't, then the 4th place finisher at the World Cup qualifies (Tan Zhongyi). If Tan Zhongyi qualifies this way, then she's no longer eligible for a Grand Swiss spot, so the 4th-place finisher at the Grand Swiss qualifies (Batkhuyagiin Möngöntuul). I will edit this into the article. Banedon (talk) 01:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

‎Sportsfan77777 Are you confident when you say that the last qualifier is a rating qualifier? From official documents such as [1], it's stated that the first replacement for a World Cup spot is 1) a rating qualifier, then 2) the 4th-place finisher at the World Cup, then 3) the 3rd-place finisher at the Grand Swiss. Given that there is always going to be a rating qualifier (there are thousands of women with a FIDE rating) then if your interpretation is correct, there is no need for 2) and 3). It seems logical that the rating qualifier only applies if that player has played 30 rated games; otherwise 2) and 3) will kick in. The source you cited [2] doesn't exclude this interpretation, since we've not reached January 2024 yet and there's time for everyone to play 30 rated games. Banedon (talk) 01:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it is obvious. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

The 4th-place finisher only gets a spot if two of the World Cup medallists had already qualified for the Candidates. That didn't happen, so the 4th-place finisher doesn't get in. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

It isn't really obvious. But it could be read as the top ranked player with 30 games player is offered the spot (Humpy). If she declines the spot, then 2. and 3. kick in. I doubt it will be passed to the next rating qualifier. You have to wonder if FIDEs has internal regulations are worded a bit longer. -Koppapa (talk) 06:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Took me some time after reading Sportsfan77777's comment above to figure out the alternative interpretation, but that interpretation seems more logical to me now. Hard to fault FIDE for the ambiguity, because it's not easy to see the other interpretation unless someone points it out to you. Banedon (talk) 09:59, 7 November 2023 (UTC)