Talk:William Ormsby-Gore, 4th Baron Harlech

Latest comment: 2 years ago by RolandR in topic Conversion 'to Judaism'?

Conversion 'to Judaism'?

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Scott Anderson's allegation that Ormsby-Gore "converted to Judaism by 1916" may either be mistake or hearsay arising from anti-Jewish/anti-Zionist propaganda (for example the Nazis accused some gentile statesmen like Roosevelt of being 'secret Jews' or insinuating Jewish blood). Had he truly converted out of his native Church of England he would surely have been mentioned during his lifetime in the British annual "The Jewish Yearbook" in lists of "Jewish Members of the House of Commons" and (from 1938) "Jewish Members of the House of Lords". He is buried in the Anglican parish churchyard at Selattyn near Oswestry, his gravestone, inscribed entirely in English, bearing (to my memory from seeing it in the 1970s) no symbols other than those of his Order of the Garter and of St Michael & St George. Might "Judaism" be a mistake for "Zionism"? Some British personalities like Orde Wingate have been described as having "converted to" or had a "conversion to Zionism" to describe their taking on board this school of thought. This allegation deserves investigation.Cloptonson (talk) 09:53, 18 July 2015 (UTC)Reply

Although the novelist Scott Anderson makes this claim, he nowhere gives a source. I have been searching, and can find no other suggestion in any source (reliable or otherwise) that the claim is true. Indeed, all the evidence suggests that Ormsby-Gore was not, and did not identify as, a Jew. On the basis that "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources" I intend to remove this assertion from the article. RolandR (talk) 11:22, 3 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

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I have deleted him from 'People from Stafford' because he was only MP for the town without being ever resident. He was born in London of a family whose estates were in Ireland, Wales and Shropshire, England. I have added him to 'Shropshire Yeomanry officers' having unearthed his military service.Cloptonson (talk) 19:42, 18 July 2015 (UTC)Reply