Talk:Ward's 10 Best Engines

Please use this link to answer any questions about what should and should NOT be on the list. This is direct from Wards Auto World, so this should answer most (but not all) questions. Don't post anything here (let alone edit) if you are too lazy to download the PDF

http://wardsauto.com/datasheet/wards-10-best-engines-winners-1995-2012

I'm working to improve this slowly but surely...

Eldude611 (talk) 17:58, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Guidelines

For engines, use the following format: - Engine Name (family name or group or identifier) assigned by the manufacturer - valvetrain - other details, such as forced induction, fuel type, and other technologies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldude611 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

How about

Going to www.wardsauto.com or subscribing to the magazine? Jk-BMW - Jussi Korkala <jkorkala@gmail.com> 01:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Duramax and Isuzu or GM

While it is true that GM and Isuzu have a joint venture for producing the Duramax diesel engine (2001 and 2002 list), the official lists on Ward's webpage list GM as the manufacturer. Shouldn't they be listed as the manufacturer on this page as well? FlatEric521 05:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

BMW Mini - Brazilian Engine Made in Campo Largo - PR

Happy to say, I was the Engineer responsible for the Cylinder Block from Mini in 2003, word´s 10 best engines. That was a fantastic time. F.B.

Inconsistencies and some other things

Under engines it's very inconsistent. For some, it specifies features of the engine, eg, dual overhead cams, single overhead cams while on others it just specifies the engines codename. In addition, for 1995 the BMW M60 under displacement it says "4.0L 740iL"..Wat? The 540i and the 840Ci also have the M60. Removed that tidbit. In addition, for 1996 it says BMW M60 V8...however, the last model year with the M60 was 1995. And then for 1997, it just DOHC 4.4 V8....That would be the M62. Changed. And then for 1998, it says the DOHC 3.2 I6...Why doesn't it say which model engine it is?

This article needs help. Paulmer2003 (talk) 23:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

BMW I6 (10 best engines of the 20th century list)

The entry for BMW in 10 best engines of the 20th Century list released by AutoWorld on Jan 1 2000 should read the firm's I6, not the errantly entered/edited "M62 Vanos" which had appeared.

Here is the entire entry nominating a BMW engine for the list:

BMW AG Inline-6s (1968) The M in BMW's name stands for Motoren (Motor), indicative of the importance engines play in this company's heritage. Before BMW began light-car construction in 1927, it earned its reputation as a worthy motorcycle, aircraft, and truck engine maker. Rebuilding after WWII tested the firm's mettle, but by 1968 BMW was ready to challenge arch-rival Mercedes-Benz's S-Class sedan. To create an appropriate engine for that task, BMW simply stretched its successful SOHC 2L 4-cyl. into a 2.5L 6-cyl. In the 1980s, when competitors turned toward more compact V-6 engines, BMW bucked the trend by continuing to nurture its inline sixes through four generations. Each new generation has been lighter, smaller, more powerful and sweeter-running than its predecessors.

The nomination is purely for the I6 and its evolution through today; there is no mention whatever of any V8, let alone the model previously mentioned. The list is Auto World's, not subject to the whim of Wikipedia editors. Thank you. Wikiuser100 (talk) 11:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

References

Barbara

Barbara 177.155.80.162 (talk) 22:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Winner's Chart formatting

Column 5 (Credited Automobile) should include the tested trim level/version of the vehicle if it affects the drivetrain configuration; especially important for EVs, which can have configurations change year-to-year.

Column 2 (Displacement/Battery Capacity) should include the engine displacement and/or the nominal/gross (not usable) battery capacity only if it is a plug-in vehicle (not HEV or MHEV since their capacity is often unknown, and utilization is often much less than 50%) or Hydrogen fuel cell if it is one.

Column 3 (Powertrain Configuration) should include: [ICE's cylinder configuration (Inline (not Straight), V, Flat, Boxer)]-[cylinder count]

followed by either "engine" if the powertrain consists only of an ICE, or (separated from ICE by an ampersand (&) if applicable):

• MHEV for mild hybrids (commonly weak 48V systems that only consist of a belt starter-generator)
• HEV for 'full' hybrids (most non-plug-in hybrid vehicles are these)
• PHEV for plug-in hybrids (in North America, most plug-in vehicles with ICEs fall under this category)
• REEV for range extended EVs (weak semantic difference between this and PHEVs in North America, often differentiated by the fact that the ICE cannot directly drive the wheels, or that the vehicle was designed/intended to be 'primarily an EV'; the only examples so far are the 1st gen Chevy Volt and BMW i3 w/range extender)

or "Electric motor" if it is a BEV or FCEV.

Column 4 (Powertrain Detail) should include, in order:

If includes ICE:

• [Engine displacement] L (exclude an cubic inch conversions unless it was designed using those units, like some American V8s)
• only if made by a different company, engine brand (ex. VM Motori)
• Engine marketing name (ex. Ecoboost, Earth Dreams, Skyactiv, Dynamic Force, Pentastar), if available
• Engine code (ex. EA888, VR30DDTT, B58, LT6), if available
• thermodynamic cycle if not Otto (ex. Atkinson cycle), otherwise blank. Do not include part-time Atkinson/Miller cycle only achieved using VVT/VVL
• abbreviated configuration: [cylinder configuration initial (I,V,F,B)][cylinder count]-[forced induction (T for turbo, TT for twin turbo, SC for supercharger]
• relevant/notable/special technologies: quite subjective; preferably technologies that are new compared to the vehicle's predecessor, notable for the class, or are otherwise unique or notable (ex. variable compression, CVVD, cylinder deactivation, dual injection). Technologies like VVT/VVL, DOHC and GDI are more notable in earlier years, but are considered too common to note in later years, only list them if they are unique for the time (ex. DOHC on big American V8s, which are still commonly OHV, or port injection on engines after ~2015).
• diesel, if diesel

If includes electric motors:

• if motor rating known: [front motor kW]/[rear motor kW] kW (front/rear) (do not include hp/PS conversion)
  if only power known: [power in kW in hp convert template] kW combined-output
• [motor names if known]
• motor count (blank if single, dual for 2, triple for 3, etc)
• motor type (ex. permanent magnet synchronous AC)
• notable features (ex. Nissan Ariya's 8-pole rotor)

This guide was made somewhat arbitrarily by myself and is intended to standardize things, mostly for the newer half of the winners list. Please comment if you think something should be changed! Needlesballoon (talk) 00:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)