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"Floppy" Divac

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Most L.A. native Laker fans that I know (including myself) refered to him as "Floppy" Divac. This should be put in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.111.228.82 (talk) 20:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

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I can verify that Divac is born on 3rd february. This is a date style issue, in Serbian the date is written as 3. 2. 1968. Nikola 07:04, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Also, he's 7 feet 1.

should be Divać ?

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

I had the notion that his surname was actually spelled Divać, but I can't seem to find confirmation anywhere. Can anyone clarify? --Trovatore 17:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Never mind—I checked with some Serbian friends, and it's just Divac. --Trovatore 19:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

three-fingered salute

Latest comment: 15 years ago14 comments6 people in discussion

During his tenure with the Kings, both Divac and teammate Peja Stojaković gained attention in the local section of newsreview.com for their use of a Serbian three-fingered salute as a way to celebrate on-court success. The sign is associated with the Serbian Orthodox Christian Church and is considered to be on par with a Nazi salute and is a military gesture of Serbian fascist movements against Croatians, Kosavars, and Muslims which was used during the Yugoslav wars.[8] Divac defended its use, saying "it means three points," and "Europeans count with different fingers than Americans."[8]

Who ever wrote this is ignorant, first three-fingered salute is just that three finger salute, SERBS WERE NOT Nazi's, ustashe, or Croatian fascistic forces during the WWII were Nazis, you can check that on wikipedia, also Serbian Ortodox church didn't cooperate with Nazis, Catholic church did, also check on wikipedia! Also check how many Serb died during the WWII from Nazis and Ustashe!!! And Europeans really count like that for 3 points, unlest we in Serbia do! I will delete this section, cause it don't have any connection with Vlade Divac, cause this guy is not Serbian nationalist, how this passage is trying to represent him!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Racerx11080 (talk • contribs) 13:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Before you come out of this looking like the ignorant one, why don't you go back and read the presentation of the work again and discern its context. It states there in black and white that newsreview.com made the claim. If you have access to any references to back up your contrary views, and it's in context with the discussion, then by all means please incorporate them into the article! Erasing statements simply because you either personally don't agree with them or you have a different angle (especially that of an unsupported nature) is anethema to the spirit of a peer-reviewed site such as this. So in future, please refrain from editing in an inappropriate manner and I look forward to your much-anticipated contribution. --203.217.29.182 (talk) 13:54, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Three finger salute has notnih with nazism. It just means - I'm a Serb. And Divac never was a nationalist. -- Bojan  21:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

"Three finger salute has notnih with nazism. It just means - I'm a Serb." - Fantastic to know. Now back that up with that reference source of yours. And it has to be in relation to Vlade Divac. I await your input.
"Divac never was a nationalist." - Also fantastic to know. What about it?

--203.217.29.182 (talk) 11:40, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Read Three-finger salute (Serbian). Ultra-Serbian nationalists do not raise this salute, 'cause Ustašas saluted in this way during WW2.[1] -- Bojan  06:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. Incorporate in into the article, and then put it into context with Vlade Divac. --Downwards (talk) 07:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
The salute is indeed controversial, but none of the sources mentioned "on par with Nazi", so I duly deleted it. The nba.com article did mention "popular with Serbian forces" but it's desperately inaccurate, so I took the liberty to just label it "controversial". While I personally think the whole gesture is fairly tasteless affair, even the Serbian president found it appropriate to use on a sport event [2]. A populist he may be, but a Nazi he certainly isn't. Unless one purposefully goes by the old all-Serbs-are-Nazis parole.
Ofensiveness of the gesture is certainly a matter of context: when you point three fingers to a Croat's face, it's certainly equivalent to "f**k you", but it's far more benign when one uses it for his own sake, to celebrate a victory. 212.200.139.130 (talk) 11:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

We clarified that the salute has no anything with Nazism. Good. And why is this "controversy" so important? Did he get any threatening letter or what? Did he popularize this salute in USA? -- Bojan  10:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I'd prefer the entire passage gone (but some people seem to insist on having it, so at least I tried to put it to an appropriate level), as I fail to see the big deal. Actually, the whole NBA section is tabloidish: "appeared quite a few times on Los Angeles-based late night programmes"... "featured in a commercial", "earned a reputation for flopping," "use of controversial Serbian three-fingered salute"... that's almost half of the section. He must have played some basketball in the meanwhile, I suppose 212.200.139.130 (talk) 12:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Why should the entire thing be deleted? Some do, and did, find the gesture offensive and it is adequately documented in the supplied publication. The article does not state as a fact that it is on par with Nazism, all it says that newreview.com documented, on behalf of the complainants, that it could be construed as such and provided reasons why. Whether you or anyone else personally thinks the hand sign isn't offensive is irrelevant. If don't like it, or if you don't think it's a 'bg deal', that's fine - navigate away and don't read it. And if it really is as innocuous as you say, provide references. I've already stated that Divac said it meant three points and I have supplied references for it. So it's already defended. Unless you have any sources concerning this "controversy", leave it alone. --Downwards (talk) 02:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
What you restored here [3] was the unreferenced stuff containing "on par with Nazi", "Serbian fascist" and "used by Serbian military". The Divac's defense had not been removed, and is right below that sentence. Please pay more attention. No such user (talk) 07:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I restored it. Perhaps you could pay attention (LOOK ABOVE) when I just said "The article does not state as a fact that it is on par with Nazism, all it says that newreview.com documented, on behalf of the complainants, that it could be construed as such and provided reasons why". It is inadequate to mention the salute is controversial without providing a reason. You cannot simply say: "The salute was controversial but Divac defended it" - Defended it from what? The controversy, of course. But what controversy was it? The reader is going to want to know why. Whether the allegation is true or not, the reader can decide for him/herself. Once again, I'm not claiming it is a Nazi symbol, I'm saying newsreview.com documented that persons in the community found offense at it, and Divac disputed it. Read it properly. If you cannot grasp logic then don't edit here because you're blinkered at best, completely thick at worst. Goodbye. --Downwards (talk) 03:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Fine. In that case, I'll point you to WP:WEASEL, WP:UNDUE and WP:BLP. The sentence you keep on restoring reads:
"according to newsreview.com, associated with the Serbian Orthodox Christian Church and is considered to be on par with a Nazi salute and is a military gesture of Serbian fascist movements against Croatians, Kosavars, and Muslims which was used during the Yugoslav wars"
  • First, it is not "according to newsreview.com". The article [4] reads: "Vlade’s Serbian countrymen ... see the gesture as a declaration of unity and national pride. Still others (emphasis mine), Muslims and Croats in America and Europe, will read it as a symbol of hate, intimidation and terrorism." So, it is still "according to someone else". Even the article does not mention "fascist forces". Other aspects of the salute were also left out in your version.
  • Still further, you were explained that the gesture has been publically used by at least half Serbian athletes, including Milorad Cavic, Novak Djokovic, as well as president and foreign minister of Serbia. Why is only here a big deal made of Divac's one, based on a single article in a local newspaper on a slow news day?
To sum up, Wikipedia is not a tabloid. See WP:NOT#NEWS: "Unless news coverage of an individual goes beyond the context of a single event, our coverage of that individual should be limited to the article about that event, in proportion to their importance to the overall topic. (See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons for more details.) ". I tried to put the event in the proportion, but I see you insist on a sensationalist formulation. Therefore, according to that principle, and WP:BLP. I'm deleting the event altogether. Your attempts to restore it will result in a WP:BLPN report. Thanks for your understanding. No such user (talk) 08:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, Divac and Lakers were defeated in 1991 finals by Chicago, he was third non-American (after Shrempf and Smits) who played in All-Star match... The Serbian article is far more better... -- Bojan  17:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Chetnik?

Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Vlade Divac tear down Croatian flag and spit/trample upon it, he is chetnik. no mention in article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.85.2.201 (talk) 14:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Was not an Ustasa flag? ;)--84.222.77.211 (talk) 22:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


Obviously you watched the documentary Once Brothers; it states clearly that Divac never spit/trampled the Croatian flag. Croatian Media twisted the events and made Divac out to be a bad guy. All he did was take the Croatian flag away from the obnoxious fan running on the court. Yugoslavia won, not Croatia. Divac is not chetnik he is a humanitarian, not just in the former Yugoslavia, but all over the world. LuisHG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.110.141 (talk) 15:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

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Dačić

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I replaced:

They did so on initiative from Ivica Dačić, the club's president at the time and, more importantly at that moment, a suddenly marginalized politician who due to his association with Milošević's regime had to leave the club. Seeing that various state-owned companies and community property were being taken over in dodgy fashion by murky individuals during this power vacuum in the wake of the regime overthrow, Dačić saw it prudent to have the club's two great former star players as a safe guard against the same happening to KK Partizan.

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They did so on initiative from Ivica Dačić, the club's leaving president at the time, who saw it prudent to have the club's two great former star players at the helm, instead of murky individuals who sought an opportunity in the power vacuum, which happened to a number of other clubs.

because 1) it's rather wordy, with long sentences difficult to follow. 2) This article is about Divac, not about Dačić 3) it is an editorial (lot of opinions thrown in) and uncited as such. I will add a citation now, but the original is even shorter than my sentence. No such user (talk) 07:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Divac is Roma

Latest comment: 11 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Why hide his family roots?! Most famous players have early life. Why hide the fact that he's a roma minority, well integrated into Serbo-Croat and Serbian society! Come on folks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.67.145.200 (talk) 09:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

No, he is not of Roma (Gypsy) descent; this is a common misconception. You can see both of his parents in this video at 6:22 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE6m5hXk2Rg). They look entirely Serbian. If he was of partial or full Roma ancestry, I think it would show heavily in one of his parents.

Irregardless, even if he were of Roma descent there is no verifiable source confirming this online. Also, he has never self-identified as a Roma/Gypsy in his life.

Gamer112 (talk) 16:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Removed unbalanced-section tag

Latest comment: 16 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

The tag, as posted, claims

A Wikipedian is concerned that this section gives undue weight to one side. Please see the talk page. Help improve the article by adding more information and sources on points of view that may be neglected.

Whoever is concerned the way above about this section (NBA) please provide references contradicting to the existig ones, or point at the parts which might be not referenced at all or completely --4.249.72.117 02:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I added it, and my reasoning is above, in the "notorious flopper" section. The problem is not in accuracy of the flopping story, but in the fact that it covers half of the section devoted to his NBA career, overshadowing his sporting achievements, which are barely covered. Perhaps the wording of the template {{unbalanced-section}} is not 100% up to the point, but it's close enough; I'm returning it. Duja► 12:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Notorious flopper

Latest comment: 16 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

There's needs to be something in here about his mad flopping. If I'm not mistaken he went "The Mad Flopper" and "Floppey the Flopper McFlopsalot" during his playing career. All kidding aside it needs to be mentioned as he was clearly known for it. 72.185.187.218 20:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I too was surprised to see no mention of Divac's supposed predisposition to "flopping". If we can agree that it was a significant aspect of his game, it probably deserves mention. 128.103.14.115 02:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

There's some info in there now. 72.185.187.218 20:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, OK, but the entire NBA section now reads that all he did was entertainment and flopping. He certainly did achieve more notable things there. Anyone cares to expand on his playing ? Duja► 12:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
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