Talk:Victor Hervey, 6th Marquess of Bristol

The Times error?

This sentence was removed with an edit line suggesting The Times was in error.

He is notable as the first English marquess to be sent to prison; this was for a jewel theft.

Can a better source be provided? If not, I will reinstate it. BrainyBabe 16:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

References

paragraph deletion

I have deleted an unsourced paragraph added by an anonymous editor; in this case I don't think fact tags are enough. I realise that the subject is no longer living, but the principle, as stated in WP:BIO, is clear: "The burden of evidence for any edit on Wikipedia <snip> rests firmly on the shoulders of the person who adds or restores the material." BrainyBabe 13:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. --Counter-revolutionary 13:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Various sources reveal (usually in articles on Lord Bristol's son John) that Lord Bristol's first wife married a horse trainer (who was a loving father to John and gave him a half brother), etc. Lord Bristol revealed to the press in contemporaneous quotes that he was not inviting Somerset de Chair to his christmas and Lord's parties that year, under the circumstances, and if he attended he would be a gatecrasher. I don't see why you add loads of criminal activity info but eschew family background facts, easily verifiable by anyone who had knowledge of the subject.71.190.70.203 19:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Criminal convictions are a matter of public record. If you have knowledge of family background, please verify the facts. BrainyBabe 23:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't have current access to (London) Times, etc.; the de Chair quote was published in a major newspaper of record, eg. (I believe the Times). This was referenced in the prior comment - in fact, until very recently the criminal conviction/s, while "public record" were not easily accessible. You likely should have kept it with a citation request versus deleting it.71.190.74.155 04:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

sentence query

I have removed this unsourced sentence:

The sentence was reduced to one year on appeal, and he was released on parole within five months.

On re-reading the Observer magazine article, I find this:

A handsome sociopath, Victor Hervey was briefly a career criminal. He and two confederates collaborated with Soho professionals on a couple of jewel robberies. According to the Daily Mirror, the July 1939 trial was attended by 'expensively gowned Mayfair women, some wearing dark glasses and heavy veils'. Victor, then 23, and the nephew of the fifth Marquess, got three years. The court recorder observed: 'The way of the amateur criminal is hard. But the way of the professional is disastrous.' Victor Hervey did his time in Brixton, Wormwood Scrubs, Maidstone and Camp Hill on the Isle of Wight, getting a year off for good behaviour.

That would make two years in prison. If there is any evidence for a shorter length of time served, please make the case here. If not, I will re-insert a corrected sentence in a few days (to allow time for response). BrainyBabe 13:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

International Monarchist League

Shouldn't there be more info on Lord Bristol's role in the IML? His son Nicholas has a long section detailing his activities in the organization, yet he clearly had a vastly subsidiary role to his father, the grand chancillor, etc.71.190.70.203 19:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, his father was Grand Chancellor and used to subsidise everything! The trick is getting verifiable sources to say so! --Counter-revolutionary 20:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Pink Panther?

I understand that there was a recent Channel 4 documentary about Hervey, entitled "The Real Pink Panther: Lord Victor Hervey", however in the Pink Panther films the jewel was called the Pink Panther and the actual thief notorious for stealing it was actually The Phantom. So really he should be considered The Phantom of his day rather than the Pink Panther. Howie ☎ 09:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but unfortunately the misconception has taken hold in the public imagination. Thus we refer to "Frankenstein" and think of the monster rather than the doctor. The Phantom has altogether other associations. I'm afraid there is no use swimming against this tide! BrainyBabe (talk) 13:44, 23 May 2009 (UTC)