Talk:Vestibular exam

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No quota was ever imposed over private universities. ProUni selects students, but is up to private university decide wether to accept them.

Vestibular Models

The FUVEST model is probably the dominant format for most "vestibulares", but the article should mention alternative models as well. UNICAMP's Vestibular for example has no multiple-choice questions and, even in the second part, candidates are tested in all 7 core subjects (Math, Chemistry, Physics, Biology, History, Geography, and Portuguese), irrespective of their intended majors. 161.24.19.82 12:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Minors not allowed

I removed this line from fourth paragraph: "Minors are usually not allowed in the Brazilian University system, unless the student manages to enroll in a second university." I removed it for two reasons: first, the second part doesn't make sense. Second, I'm a minor and I'm in college (UFRJ).

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"Minor" is opposed to "Major" in USA's universities/colleges. Generally speaking, "major" is the core area of study whereas "minor" is a complementary area, not studied in depth. Such distinction has nothing to do with age. In spite of some very recent proposals, Brazilian universities do not allow students to take a minor besides their major. If a given student manages to enroll in a second university, (s)he will get two majors, not a major and a minor.Phulvius 17:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Biased - Probably created by someone from USP

To say "Brazil's most renowned vestibular exam" is FUVEST is bias and shouldn't be used in a general article like this. The word "most" is just too strong to be used without any justification or references. Therefore I deleted the "most" word. Berpasan 07:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

How does the Vestibular compare to other international school qualifications ?

Generally speaking, European and US universities do not recognize a pass in the Brazilian vestibular as a sufficient qualification for enrollment in their undergraduate bachelor's degree courses.

As far as European universities are concerned, that actually makes sense considering that a secondary school education for college-bound students in countries like England, France or Germany normally goes far beyond what is usually taught at the Brazilian "ensino médio". For example, typical secondary school math in a British A-level course or in the International Baccalaureate Diploma program includes differential and integral calculus (for single variable, real-valued functions), vectors and analytic geometry in 3-D, sequences and series of real numbers, and probably elementary differential equations and an introduction to linear algebra. In Brazil by contrast, those topics would be studied (by engineering, math or physics/chemistry majors) only in the first or second semesters of the freshman year in college.

In the case of the US though, the comparison is not that straightforward. On one hand, a regular American High School education tends to be actually of a lower standard than the syllabus tested in the Brazilian Vestibular. However, the brightest Ivy-bound students in private schools or affluent public schools in the US are likely to take several Advanced Placement classes in addition to the regular minimum High School curriculum. The AP program in turn tends to cover material at a level that is comparable to that required by European school certificates, including for example single-variable calculus and physics with calculus.

In any case, lack of familiarity with international school qualifications prompts admission officials in US universities to require standardized American tests from all applicants, including the SAT reasoning test (comparable perhaps to the Brazilian ENEM at best), and SAT subject tests (comparable perhaps to the Brazilian Vestibular, but maybe not as difficult). AP exams (comparable perhaps to British A-levels, the German Abitur or the French BAC) are not strictly required, but are a plus for applicants in the most competitive colleges (top Ivies like Harvard/Yale/Princeton, MIT, Caltech, etc.) 200.177.49.248 02:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

(Comment on this entry) --- You are mixing apples and oranges here, difficulty level and range of subjects covered are two distinct qualities of a given test. IQ tests do not contain any Calculus questions but some people score 100 and some 200. The SAT subject tests might cover a comparable range of subjects but they are definitely not as hard as the standard brazilian vestibular (FUVEST). FUVEST (as well as the most difficult vestibular versions there are in Brazil - the IME's and ITA's entrance examinations) is actually harder than most European school qualifications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.6.102 (talk) 03:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Request for Update

This article needs a major update to reflect the introduction of the ENEM as a national entrance exam in the federal universities. 161.24.19.112 (talk) 18:10, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

(Comment on this entry) --- The major Federal Universities did not embrace the ENEM (not fully, at least; some are using ENEM scores as a bonus within their respective VESTIBULAR examinations). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.6.102 (talk) 04:02, 30 November 2010 (UTC)