Talk:Vasil Bollano

Appeal

Who put this? "The decision is currently under appeal, because the roadsigns, in violation of article 11 of the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities (Council of Europe) did not include descriptions in Greek, which is spoken by the local Greek community. " Are you the appeals judge or what? Albania does NOT recognize them as minority, no matter how much they try to learn Greek. Adding foreign languages is not a right on municipalities, where they put roadsigns is different from this political decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keep it Fake (talk • contribs) 02:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

When did he become 'Vasilis Bollanos,' can a Greek tell me? He is an Albanian national and found out that 'he is a Greek' only recently. That's the truth. I can claim to be Chinese but that does not make it true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keep it Fake (talk • contribs) 17:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

There is a substantial Greek community in the region, read Himara. I'm not the one to judge if something is right or wrong. We are just presenting the fact according to relevant sources. So, please calm down and provide reasonable arguments that can support your view.Alexikoua (talk) 22:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• There are many ways to report a citation, an article that is hotly disputed by the other side will never be stable or any good, I find that the middle ground needs to be found, consider writing the content in a more calm and neutral way, he is not all bad and also not all good, finding that position where all are content with the content allow the article to stabilize and to be of value to the reader and general public, balance is the key. Off2riorob (talk) 22:47, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree on that. The topic should be carefully approached, on a completely neutral way. I completely agree with Futs latest edit.Alexikoua (talk) 23:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, me too, I was wrong to revert without having a good look at it, so the article is locked and only discussion is available, such a lot of issue with a little stub, regarding my comment above, I have seen it work and the article and the reader are the winners, the editors also suffer less stress, consider the mid point. I am out of here, regards to all. Off2riorob (talk) 00:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

change name

His name is Vasillaq Bollano, thats what he uses in his passport. If he would wanted to change his name into Vasileos Bollanos, then he would have to pay 25 thousand lek (20 euro) and thats all, the name would have been changed. But, he has chosen not to change his name, and Vasillaq Bollano, is the name he uses, even in his electoral campaign see here. Per naming convention Vasillaq Bollano should be articles name.Balkanian`s word (talk) 13:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I admit it is really a hard point, deciding whats the right name for people of minority members in a country. But I can't see a reason, in case that he is a minority member recognized by the state he lives, why not to use the name in the person's mother-tongue version. (Although a official form is also a strong arguement)

I see many other examples that adopt my approach, like:

• people like Gjin Bue Shpata, Gjon Zenebishi, in correspondence of that time were referred with names that could sound more 'Greek' (wiki uses the 'Albanian' form, something I agree with)
• in contrary people like Spyros Spyromilios, or Evangelos Zappas or referred in Albanian sources with a way that sounds more 'Albanian'. (the same happens here in wiki, greek name used for ethnic Greeks)

Someone told me laughing that with an 's' you can just change nationality. I see also that ethnic Albanians in Macedonia (like A. Xhaveri) retain their name in 'Albanian' form in wiki (Xhaveri no Dzaveri-the 'macedonian' form in latin letters).

According a uk report about the minority, with the decision no. 5339/23.9.1975 of the past regime's Albanian parliament, personal names were forcibly changed to sound more 'Albanian', (for example achileas become Aquille), something that made situation more complicated.

However, it is a good idea to change names of minorities and agree with their name stated in official papers. But what solution should we adopt when a minority has dual citizenship? something that will soon happen in case of the Greek minority (this means two passports, and two names-that can potentially sound total different each other, if the person wishes that way).

As I said you have right too, considering the arguments, we can make a long discussion and reaching a general point about the topic (the name forms of people in present and past).--Alexikoua (talk) 16:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I see your point, but this is not the case. In Albania you can change your name, whenever you like. Even ethnic Albanians, have changed their names to greek once, no one stops them. So, I am not speaking about the official name, but for the name Bollano himself uses. Since he has not changed his name, as the references show, than why should we change his name for him?Balkanian`s word (talk) 13:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

My approach was just to make thinks easier, Greek names for Greeks etc. However, because we talk about a person of the present and not of the past, the official name can stay. If something changes about the dual citizenship we'll be on alert.Alexikoua (talk) 13:45, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for collaborating. If he gets another citizienship, and his name becomes greek-like:-), than ofcourse the albanian form is needless, even if he has another form of his name in his albanian passport.Balkanian`s word (talk) 13:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Please allow wikification

I invite athenean to read Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page and not make any other reverts like this [1] in future. sulmues (talk)--Sulmues 15:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

And I "invite" User:Sulmues to read WP:OVERLINK and stop playing dumb and wasting everybody's time. --Athenean (talk) 23:46, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:OVERLINK, linking "abuse of power" would be useful to increase understanding of the article. There is no clutterness whatsoever. Abuse of power is a specific charge. So is falsification. I think these words should be wikified and no one is going to waiste any time, but will get more information on the specific charges that Bollano has gotten. --sulmues (talk) 04:49, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Source removal

Dont remove sources, diffMegistias (talk) 17:32, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

The removal [2] of sourced content in this fashion, by Kushtrim123 and the usual IP editors, unless properly discussed, can be construed as a BLP violation. There is an attempt to hide *why* Bollano was convicted, in other words to try and make him look more like a criminal. If this doesn't stop, I will take this to the appropriate noticeboard, and seek to have the page semied. Athenean (talk) 19:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I've opened a case here [[3]]. It seems that the same user initiated another another edit war after Pyrros Dimas.Alexikoua (talk) 19:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

BLP about Goro

If Alexikoua relies on Greek blogs to find the ethnicity of Goro, he should read an article he wrote himself in Panorama some days ago [4](Alexikoua should read the sentence E ndiej si detyrim që të sqaroj se unë nuk kam asnjë lidhje me mendësinë Bollano dhe nuk jam në krizë identiteti si ai.). Goro finds it extremely offensive and a case of defamation, when people make comments about him like the one Alexikoua added. IIRC he was actually one of the people, who sued the voters that came from Greece and caused disruption back in 2003.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 19:04, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Alexikoua Goro is not a dead person who lived 2 centuries ago i.e BLP rules apply here especially when the person has made it clear that he finds such portrayals offensive.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 19:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

(Please avoid trolling activity) In general To Vima (it says clear: όλοι οι υποψήφιοι στην πόλη ήταν έλληνες ομογενείς) isn't a blog, so I have to made some adjustments on the sentence. Zjarri you better read the specific source beofore making parts in zero time. (perhaps discussing about highly reliable sources such as to vima etc.) Alexikoua (talk) 19:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

An article by Goro himself is much more reliable than any claim by Greek newspapers. Btw I'm going to BLP noticeboard.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 19:44, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

He doesn't contradict the article (i.e. by saying that he isn't ethnic Greek) if you mean that. He just dissagrees (no wonder) with his opponent.Alexikoua (talk) 19:47, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Alexikoua I reported you and you'll probably want to read the article especially the one I quoted and the one above it, in which he says that it's an action against the nation to add signs in Greek(speaking about Bollano's signs). Falsifying a living person's ethnicity is a very serious issue. On the other hand the Vima article is falsifying every candidate's ethnicity since Savo Prifti is actually a nationalist who among others said that it's an act of treason and against the nation to hold an electoral campaign in a language other than Albanian.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 20:08, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

We have actual results from the election commission, so per WP:OTTO and RS please don't replace them with articles by Tzimas(who has written this [5]), who's known for his polemic and many times opposite to real situations articles(like The Turkish Crusade/Expedition in the Balkans). Btw you might want to read some actual reports of journalists [6][7]. Alexikoua even the summary of your edit puzzles me because how can an article written by someone whose works include articles about Turkish expeditions and how dangerous Albanian nationalism is be more detailed about the local elections of Albania than the publication of KQZ?--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 23:10, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

(unindent)Also whether Greek newspapers are reliable or not at any topic at all depends on the subject, the author of the article and how scholars perceive their views i.e [8][9][10]--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 08:36, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

It seems you are a little confused about the reliability of top graded newspapers and authors. To sum: To Vima, Kathimerini, and Tsimas [[11]] who is somewhat pro-Albanian in his articles in general perfectly meet wp:rs. If you still believe that Goros isn't Greek you can still check how his political office celebrated his victory [[12]].Alexikoua (talk) 12:42, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Read his article, the rest of the links I sent you and especially this [13]. Btw that's not something his office(that would be the Bollano people, who decided to protest in a rather unorthodox way) used and I've seen that video long before you sent it. Btw no scholars seem to consider Kathimerini, To Vima etc. reliable and for election results of Albania use the actual commission links as a source not a Greek newspaper.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 12:59, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Something that's weird is that your are eager to remove gredible newspapers like To Vima & Kathimerini, while the text of the article remains unchanged compared to the previous version (and on the other hand the alternative ref. on the same sentence is completely irrelevant[50]. Moreover, considering that the text doesn't say something about Goros' ethnicity someone can easily assume that you are into wp:trolling territory.

Also the scenario that Bollano's supporters celebrate their defeat in front of Goros' office (which is in Himara's Alpha Bank branch) and raise the SP's flag is also difficult to believe.Alexikoua (talk) 14:09, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Alexikoua: Goro's office is next to the Ruçi tours agency and next to that is alpha bank. The Bollano voters, most of whom came from Greece were waiting for their buses etc. PS celebrated their victory at Spilea about 6(IIRC) hours later and the reportage for that is on the links. Btw please add back back the official commission results, which you replaced with Tzimas's article.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 14:35, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I didn't remove any official results, (?) actually both refs are in the article. Seems your comments about the video are contradicting eachother (first you say that this doesn't show his office then you admit that it's in but the people with the SP flags are Bolanos' supporters celebrating their defeat...).Alexikoua (talk) 15:07, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Please don't attribute to me edits(I didn't add the Klan link) or comments(I said that's not something his office used) I never made.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 15:13, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

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