Talk:University of Calgary/Archive 1

Archive 1

Tone issue

This wikipedia page reads like an advertisement. Moreover, any mention of the Enbridge corruption/conflict of interest scandal is always deleted. Same thing with the universtiy usurption of Mac Hall from the Students Union. 136.159.16.10 (talk) 17:58, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Than feel free to fix the issues you feel read like an advertisement (this is an open encyclopedia...), or at the very least, tag the proses you feel theres an issue with {{Advert inline}}, so that other editors can look over it, and address the issue. Simply stating that you have a problem with the article, without pointing to specifics is not going to improve this article (last time you added the promotional header, you left no notice on the talk page, nor did you leave any edit summary, so I'm not sure how you expected other editors to respond to that). That said, I do agree, that the tone of the article could be... more neutral.

Also, maybe I just missed the edit revisions that added the Enbridge content, as well as the revision that deleted it, but looking at this article's history from the month you placed the promotional issue hatnote (January 2018) to now, no one has added anything about the Enbridge/COI issue (and thus no one has deleted it either). So I have no idea what your trying to claim when you say that content is always "deleted" (didn't look up Mac Hall but I assume its the same lack of activitiy... monitoring Canadian uni pages for a while, there isn't that much activity going on edit-wise). All in all, like I said earlier, so long as you have the sources, feel free to add that content into the article. Leventio (talk) 00:32, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

New photos to replace outdated ones

Can we get some new photos (or any photos tbh) in this article to freshen it up? For example, the picture of Kananaskis Hall is quite outdated and the building itself is being torn down. Also, some photos of the newely contructed post-modern buildings would be great! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.249.173 (talk) 05:24, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Motto

A Gaelic motto for an institution is very unusual -- even in Scotland. Does anyone know why the U of C has one ? -- Derek Ross | Talk 07:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Calgary has strong Scottish roots. That's about all I can think of. --Tyson2k 08:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

The Crest and motto was issued by Lord Lyon King of Arms which seem to prefer Gaelic mottos. -Dr Haggis - Talk 18:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. Okay, thanks guys. -- Derek Ross | Talk 23:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

The coat of arms is based on Clan MacLeod and represents the contributions of Col. James MacLeod (Fort MacLeod, MacLeod Trail, etc.)--Zeolite 18:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it because Calgary is named after a town in Scotland? Kevlar67 06:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I am a student studying at University of Calgary. I have learnt of the heritage of my university is largely Scottish from the founders. Personally, I am not sure about the meaning of the motto, but I have heard that the motto comes from Pslam 121, which can be translated to "I will lift mine eyes unto the hills" in Gaelic. As someone earlier have mentioned, there is a coat of arms given by Lord Lyon King of Arms at Edinburgh. I'm not entirely sure if that is the start of the motto we have today. There is a research article on this by one of the professors here: [1] Does someone know further into this? I wish you a wonderful evening. Poeticfeelings (talk) 15:59, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

MacClean's Rankings

Why is there no mention of how the U of C performs in National and International rankings of Universities? In my opinion it's just biased UofC students fearing to put their university in rankings, they did place like last (I can't blame them). But that's retarded not to put up rankings and go on with not supporting the Macleans ranking. They are pretty decent and its sad that the US average beats more than half of all Canadian universities. And State [XXXX] colleges down there BLOW.

Ok, you know what? There's no need to insult anyone here. In my opinion, MacClean's rankings should not be included here becuase it is not an official ranking of the Universities, but rather just a magazine taking opinion polls of students and making the ranking that way. It is not an accurate representation of the quality of education and study that the University provides. But despite this, your derogitory marks are not required. And one last note, you're mentioning the ranks under the motto section of this talk page, you really should have started a new section...(Grizzwald 23:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC))

If you knew anything about Maclean's methodology and it's flaws, you wouldn't be saying that they are "pretty decent". --68.145.246.117 01:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Photos

I'm thinking about taking a picture of one of the traditional residence buildings and placing it in the gallery to accompany the portion on residence. If anyone thinks this is a bad idea, or if we should reconfigure the gallary into some other fashion of placing the pictures on the page, I would like to hear it. (Grizzwald 22:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC))

Good idea, this page needs pictures outside the Gallery area at the bottom. Too cluttered and makes the page boring. --Buffer v2 06:57, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Faculty of Law

Ok, I don't know if this is annoying anyone else, but I truely feel that the University of Calgary Faculty of Law page should really be merged with this page. Believe me, if I knew how, I would do it myself, but obviously I don't (I've never moved a page before and don't want to start now lest I screw it up some how). On the talk page for the faculty of law it has come to a semi consensus that the two pages should be merged, so if anyone would like to add there thoughts here, please do. (Grizzwald 18:43, 30 September 2006 (UTC))

I disagree. Throwing it in the Academics section randomly wouldn't fit the format correctly. If you compare it to other University wiki pages, no where do they do that. If they do have an article about a specific faculty, it's a separate one, and isn't merged with the main university article. --Buffer v2 21:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Buffer v2 Yury Petrachenko 10:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

It should definitely be merged with the University of Calgary. The faculty of law at U of C is a part of the university and so should this section be a part of the main page.

Well if that is what you're saying, then the Schulich article should also be merged with the U of C article? I don't think so. Other universities have separate articles for different faculties, and they do not merge them into the main page. The main page is for general information about the school, not for faculty-specific information. --Buffer v2 19:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I agree that the Schulic page shouldn't be merged with this page. But that page is well done with lots of information, whereas the Faculty of Law page is just a piece of crap, not to mention the Schulic School of Engineering is becoming very well known, whereas the U of C faculty of Law is only known to ppl in Calgary, more or less. Therefor, I think that the Faculty of Law page should be deleted all together, or else someone needs to do major expansion to warrent it staying up as its own page. BTW, I am not expanding it, since I feel it should be deleted. (Grizzwald 18:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC))

If you'd look at the other law schools in Canada, many of them have pages as big as Calgary's. Should they be deleted as well? It's really no big deal. They should be expanded on though, I agree.--Buffer v2 07:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Very well, I concede, the page should stand as it is, I'll remove the merge tag (not that I was the one who put it up). (Grizzwald 00:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC))

remove gallery

I suggest we remove the gallery. I beleive its a standard, that images be "mixed in" with the article body, and any gallery be located on Commons, not on Wikipedia. --Rob 09:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this, I went through the gallary a few months back and tried to intersperce the pictures in the article, but ran out of room. The one picture of Mac Hall is nice, but the arial photo of the U of C is not very good because of the shadows and the snow anyways. (Grizzwald 01:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC))

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Dogs?

Exceptional claims require exceptional sources. The gaming supplement of the student newspaper is not even a reliable source, much less an exceptional one. Accordingly, the section about dogs on campus has been removed. —C.Fred (talk) 03:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

What would be an exceptional source? Picture proof? —Preceding unsigned comment added by UniversityDetectives (talk • contribs) 03:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The source that was provided doesn't even support what was written, as far as I can see. The section shouldn't be included without some solid sourcing. This just sounds like some made-up rubbish or a hoax of some sort. Quit wasting editors' time, UD. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, It now looks more like a hoax than it did before. Check out WP:Reliable sources for what's required. Adding stuff like http://gauntlet.ucalgary.ca/supplements/47/index.php?sid=6826 as a source can only be interpreted as perpetrating a hoax and will have you treated as a vandal. DoubleBlue (talk) 04:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh my mistake, I meant to only put the gauntlet website, as the pdf version for this weeks newspaper is not updated (last weeks isn't either, I have fixed the references and am willing to mail each one of you direct publications of these articles, as I noted the local humane society is also making a piece, and hopefully with them getting involved and a reported attack earliar today on campus will sput the two major syndicates to get involved. Thank you. UniversityDetectives (talk) 04:32, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

It started out looking questionable, and I backed off after seeing a source. But reading the latest version makes it appear remarkably hoaxish, requiring strong reliable sources, yet none are provided. I am in agreement that this should be kept out of the article unless strong sources can be found. That my Google / Google News searches find nothing can only raise even more questions. Alansohn (talk) 04:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The most recent edit (that is before you altered it) has LEGIT sources. The Calgary Humane society is currently looking into the issue, and reports have been made to the Calgary Sun. It is a very local issue that has progressivley worsened and it was only recently that the problem became noticeable that articles began to be written (the Tribune article as written about in the source talks about a 19 year old girl who was bit by a Retriever. I will leave it for now, but when the big syndicates write about it in our local paper I would like an apology, alright? UniversityDetectives (talk) 04:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The Wikipedia gold standard is Verifiability, not truth. Without reliable sources, it's worth considering; Without them it doesn't belong here. Alansohn (talk) 05:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. If the Herald picks up the story and has a reporter right a piece on it, then the verifiability issue will be satisfied. Until then, at best it's premature to include it. —C.Fred (talk) 05:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

So only when the Herald covers something it can be considered legit? What if the Sun just covered or the globe and Mail? Or the Human Society? Or even the UNIVERSITY PAPER? I mean this is a local issue. UniversityDetectives (talk) 05:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Based on the description of the Sun in its article, it's probably reliable, but the nature of the article would require more scrutiny. The university paper, however, is neither mainstream enough nor has a reputation for fact-checking sufficient to meet the reliability issue: "In general, the most reliable sources are peer-reviewed journals and books published in university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers. As a rule of thumb, the greater the degree of scrutiny involved in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the evidence and arguments of a particular work, the more reliable it is." (WP:SOURCES) —C.Fred (talk) 05:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Why are sections like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauntlet_(newspaper) allowed then? All of their sections are 10x more extrordinary and the only reliable sources attatched to the defamation of the first editor is an opinion piece from the newspaper I wish to cite. Double standard much? UniversityDetectives (talk) 05:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The short answer, for the purpose of this article, is other stuff exists. (The long answer is that questionable sources can be used as source information about themselves; the Gauntlet is an acceptable source on the history of the Gauntlet. So yes, there is a different guidelines for that case—or rather, that's a special case that's covered in WP:SOURCES also.) —C.Fred (talk) 12:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

External Links

I have removed the external links again after being reverted by User:Shahroze - I see no reason why this article should be an exception to the guideline on external links not being in the body of the article as per WP:External Links, comments welcome. I should be noted that if the external links remain then the article should really be reduced to a "C" class. MilborneOne (talk) 19:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Last Defence Lounge and the Graduate Students' Association

Hi there,

I'm the Communications Manager for the University of Calgary Graduate Students' Association and I'm trying to post information under student life on the U of C page about our Last Defence Lounge--the graduate version of the Den. My username is GSAComs--I'm still learning how to use this system, so I thank you in advance for your patience.

When I've added content, it's twice been removed by AHunt. This is what I wanted to add under student life:

The LDL

The Last Defence Lounge (LDL) is run by the University of Calgary Graduate Students' Association. A members-only club, it is open to undergraduate and graduate students, as well as faculty, staff and members of the public. The premier eating establishment on campus, the LDL is know for its extensive food and drink menu as well as its reasonable prices. A restaurant by day, the LDL is more of a lounge at night with great drink specials, a new sound system pumping dance music and free pool. Popular nights for the bar include Thirsty Highball Thursdays and Wildrose Fridays. Memberships are available at GSA Main Office (350 MSC).

I don't see how this posting different than the ones for the Den or the Black Lounge, since all they do is describe drinking on a campus bar. I was told that my posting is not encyclopedic by nature by AHunt. But when I examine the postings for the Den and the Black Lounge, all I can see is links to basic words like "Monday" or "DJ". Is this what I must do in order to have the posting remain up?

He then suggested that I appeal to the various editors of this page, so that is what I'm doing.

Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.

I'd like to find out what I'm doing wrong, correct it and get my information up.

Thanks in advance for your help.

GSAComs (talk) 22:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)GSAComs

I should start off by warning you that if you are writing about subjects that you are involved with as you indicate above then you are in a conflict of interest and should not edit the article. Instead you should put the text you are interested in including on the talk page and try to gain consensus to include it there. If other editors agree than they will place the text on the article page. Also external links are not used in article text. I will fix up your entry, remove the promotional language and properly reference it. - Ahunt (talk) 23:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay I have cleaned up that section and the other sections dealing with on-campus bars. It was a mess of poorly referenced text, WP:OR and thinly disguised promotional material. - Ahunt (talk) 23:46, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

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This article needs a bit of work: 1) The endowment number needs a citation 2) The enrollment numbers are from the 2006-2007 school year, and they should be updated (in addition, the reputational rankings used are not all up to date) 3) There are many instances in the article that violate Wikipedia's policy on NPOV. Please read said article and understand that making a claim such as UofC having an "excellent" reputation, no matter how much you may agree with it, is a) a subjective opinion(s) and b) not in the spirit of encyclopedias such as Wikipedia. 4) Avoid weasel words such as "highly" in the sentence "The University of Calgary has consistently placed highly in national and international university rankings". --|★|BignBad|★| 03:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

More updates required

I've updated some details about facilities that was outdated (i.e. Downtown Campus) or missing (Spy Hill Campus had been omitted). I think more updating is probably needed, i.e. adding information about their ongoing $1.3-billion capital campaign, etc. 68.146.233.86 (talk) 02:39, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Chancellor

Updated the article to incorporate new Chancellor Deborah Yedlin, who began her term July 1, 2018. 136.159.160.8 (talk) 16:13, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

President

Updated the article to incorporate new President Ed McCauley, who began his term Jan. 1, 2019. 136.159.160.5 (talk) 22:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

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