Talk:Umayyad state of Córdoba/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Based on the information in the article on Byzantine_coinage, I am removing the following line from the economy section of this article:

"Thus, the Caliph was the first European commercial urban economy following the disappearance of the Roman Empire."

Let me know if I'm missing something here... Hiberniantears 20:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Caliphate

When this article was on the Main Page Did You Know, it was decided that this should be named "Caliphate of Córdoba" not "Caliph of Córdoba", because it's about a series of caliphs, not just one. Art LaPella 05:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Avveroes and Maimónides came AFTER the Caliphate of Cordoba, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parrish Smith (talk • contribs) 12:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I think its neccessary to specify the language in this case so I added "Arabic" before it because I studied Arabic & I know that was in Arabic.

Best regardsIraswe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.6.158.33 (talk) 16:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Cordova/Córdoba, etc.

This article is full of Spanish place names, but I take the view that there should be English language place names for English language articles. This isn't simple chauvinism but because references should match up, so that (for instance) searches will lead there better. Can anyone suggest how best to address this issue? PMLawrence (talk) 12:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

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This should be a requested article instead a redirec. --Wikiléptico (talk) 18:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Note: This was a discussion originally present on the Emirate of Córdoba's talk page moved as a part of a merger.

Emirate

Where's the page on the EMIRATE of Cordoba gone, it keeps redirecting here, but i'm looking for the period directly before this. Starting in roughly 750. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.241.6.140 (talk) 14:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

It was never created in the first place [1].

I believe anyhow it should redirect to Al Andalus, not here. --Sugaar (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I correct my previous idea: this article deals better with the Emirate period than Al-Andalus article. Though only slightly better.

Nevertheless it would surely be great if the Emirate article was created as well. --Sugaar (talk) 19:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I am getting ready to write a large addition to the Cordoba section but am vacillating on where to place it. My first thoughts based on the books Encyclopedia Britannica that I am initially reading is to place them in either a new section of Umayyad Dynasty or to create an Arab Umayyad Dynasty in Spain or something similar page. However there are other options such as Caliphate of Cordoba or even Al-Andalus, which I actually think is the worst of the options. I am going to think on it and see what others in the know have to say. I also brought home a bunch of books on African History and Asian History but forget that Spain has a lot of involvement in the History of North Africa for a period, so I will need to go to my University Library and get more books. Anyway please chime in, let me know what you think. If I don't get a lot of strong opinions one way or the other I will just be BOLD, and do what I think is best from all of my sources. speednat (talk) 05:56, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't think you should create an Arab Umayyad Dynasty in Spain page. If anything, the number of articles on Al-Andalus should be decreased (e.g. by joining the Emirate of Cordoba and Caliphate of Cordoba into Umayyads of Cordoba or Umayyad Emirate and Caliphate of Cordoba), not increased. I'd put it in Al-Andalus, or Caliphate of Cordoba if it only concerns the Umayyad period. Zhmr (talk) 18:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Caliph of Córdoba recreated?

Does anyone here know why Caliph of Córdoba was turned from a redirect into an article about a month ago? I don't see any discussion on this Talk page, and the Talk page for that page still redirects here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

could we add how the slave trade with a big part of Córdoba's economy please

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade — Preceding unsigned comment added by OxAO (talk • contribs) 23:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Seemingly illogical statement

The last section "List of rulers" is concluded by the sentence "Therefore, a genetic study concluded that the genome of Hisâm II, the tenth ruler of the Umayyad dynasty, "would have mostly originated from the Iberian Peninsula and would not be more than 0.1% of Arab descent, although the Y chromosome would still be of fully Arab origin"." I do have a problem with that. If the Y chromosome would be the only genetic material of Arab descent remaining in the aformentioned Hisham, then it would still be one out of 46 chromosomes, making up at least 2% of his genetic material, as opposed to the supposed 0.1%. Did I miss something? Did they miss something? Or were the findings in the given study paraphrased too shortly so that the sentence now is simply wrong (with this specific detail)? --87.151.245.87 (talk) 14:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

You're assuming that each chromosome makes up an equally large segment of a persons genetic material, which is fallacious.108.131.5.67 (talk) 18:22, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Question

Even considering the wealth of cultural exchange and legacy of Muslims on the Iberian Peninsula, has there ever been a real discussion regarding their presence in Spain? Has anyone ever asked the obvious question: What were Arabs doing in Spain in the first place? This question is fair I think when you consider how the Christian Crusades in the Middle East, which came afterwards, is used as a tired trope to bludgeon skeptics. Zamdrist (talk) 03:20, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

They destroyed the crumbling Visogothic empire. What were the Visogoths (Germans) doing in Spain? What were the Romans doing in Spain? What were the Carthagians doing in Spain? What were the Greeks doing in Spain? Why do you only want to ask this question of the Arabs?108.131.5.67 (talk) 18:24, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

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On the claim in section on culture

This line can be read in the section on culture "Al-Andalus was subject to eastern cultural influences as well. The musician Ziryab is credited with bringing hair and clothing styles, toothpaste, and deodorant from Baghdad to the Iberian peninsula.[23]" Considering these claims especially on toothpaste and deodorant, there is not a caveat that this is an ancient version of both so it's a bit confusing. Also the article on deodorant does not mention this claim anywhere, the one on toothpaste does, but with the same source. The article on toothpaste states that the Romans had a sort of toothpaste too, which came before the Caliphate and included the Iberian peninsula, so Ziryab perhaps reintroduced it. However the source is from an author (Ivan van Sertima) who also claims the Olmecs were originally Africans and Africans discovered America before Columbus. His work has been widely critisized for 'robbing native American cultures' and disregarded as pseudohistory. http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/vansertima.pdf

So I would state this claim from him should be taken with a very large grain of salt, should an author with such a record be the only source for such a claim? If there is no other source than Sertima for this claim I would suggest just taking this whole claim out of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.146.96.183 (talk) 19:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

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Successor state parameter in infobox

There are many, many Taifa states that emerged as the caliphate collapsed, and some are still missing from the infobox, probably more than we can reasonably keep track of. So rather than keep adding to an already long list that would became hard to follow and further stretch the infobox's length down the page, I'm simplifying this to just "Taifa kingdoms". That should be plenty enough for an infobox summary, and anyone reading a professional reference on the history of al-Andalus would expect a similar generalization. It's also the format already followed at the Almoravid dynasty and Almohad Caliphate infoboxes. A similar summary is used in some other similar situations, e.g. at the Idrisid dynasty infobox, where "Zenata kingdoms" is listed instead of trying to account for all the shifting Zenata principalities that followed there. R Prazeres (talk) 16:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Please see Talk:Caliphate of Córdoba#Proposing merger on Umayyad Cordoba articles for discussion of a proposed merger of this article with Caliphate of Córdoba. Comments are welcome there. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 07:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Note: This was a discussion originally present on the Emirate of Córdoba's talk page moved as a part of a merger.