Talk:Trois-Rivières

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The template should be used for all Canadian cities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template:Canadian_City — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.203.166.56 (talk) 23:24, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Ethnic stats

I think that you could make an argument for the numbers not being useful, or explanatory, or something, but Lotheric has reverted a change from racial stats that were referenced to ethnic origin stats that are referenced. His comment was that they are "way off". The numbers are taken directly from the 2001 census, and there was a reference provided that was a direct link to the table in question. I understand that these numbers are self-reported, but they are still accurate, at least for that, and certainly belong in Wikipedia more than our own personal impressions. I have bounced it back to the version I submitted, but I won't again unless we settle the issue here, first.AshleyMorton 10:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

My concern, besides not being useful, is that I find this table to be misleading. A Quebecois is also a Canadian; A Canadian may mean to have been born in Trois-Rivières or anywhere else in Canada; French can mean to have French ancestors or to be a citizen of France residing in the city; the same applies to the English and the Iris. There is no way to know the proportion of foreigners. I don't consider accuracy to be a sufficient criterion to include information. I'd simply remove the table. To replace it, I'd put the distribution of the population among the cities that were merged in 2002. Jean Fex (talk) 20:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

advert?

I am deleting "- and one gets the feeling that the entire town has come out to celebrate all together! This town has real "joie de vivre"...!". It is extremely POV. It seems taken from a CVB brochure, or else seems written by a local who can't conain his enthusiasm.--Coryma 20:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

"Unofficial"

Hi everybody—there seems to be a history of reverts involving the term "capital of the Mauricie", mostly surrounding the addition or deletion of the word "unofficial". Is there supporting evidence for Trois-Rivières being the "capital" of the Mauricie region, and if so, what should be our policy relating to the terminology on this page? Alternatively, is this all a waste of time and should we strike the entire sentence from the article? Feedback appreciated, thanks. --dragfyre 00:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I see there is controversy here, I removed it along with an error of a bad gallery near the top of the page. I am unaware of its official status, but by looking at the most recent previous edits, it seemed to me this was done as a sneaky vandalism, as none of the recent previous pages I saw had any discrepancy on the matter. If I am wrong, forgive me, I was simply responding as if it were vandalism.--Vox Causa 00:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

FYI the "unofficial" reference was added here (16 June 2004) and deleted here (22 October 2006). OK so maybe not a "history of reverts" per se. But the question still stands: is the term "unofficial" needed? --dragfyre 20:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The regions of Quebec do not have "capitals"; I've changed the wording to a more accurate phrase that conveys the same intended meaning. Bearcat 03:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Page title

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move.

At present, the plain title Trois-Rivières is a disambiguation page. However, I would like to initiate a discussion about this — at present, the only two other items on the dab page are a commune in Guadeloupe which doesn't even have an article yet, and a race track in Trois-Rivières, Quebec.

Personally, I don't believe that race tracks, universities, arenas, hospitals, and other things whose names include the name of the city they're located in, should be enough to dictate a disambiguation page — as far as I'm concerned, certain people who dislike the "undisambiguated city name" convention threw that idea on the table as a way to derail the established consensus by making dab pages virtually mandatory. The city article would and should link to things like Circuit Trois-Rivières anyway. But I digress.

So, anyway, I'm soliciting input here: should this article remain at Trois-Rivières, Quebec, or should it be moved to Trois-Rivières? Bearcat 03:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

What exactly are the rules on Canadian city names? Is Trois-Rivières allowed to be the title, assuming we agree that the Canadian city is the primary use? Either the article should be moved or, at least, Trois-Rivières ought to redirect to this page, rather than be a disambiguation page. john k 04:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Although it's been inconsistently applied so far, the rule for Canada is that a city goes at the plain title if it (a) has a unique name (e.g. Iqaluit) or (b) can be shown to be the primary meaning of its name (e.g. Toronto). An undisambiguated title shouldn't be a redirect to a disambiguated one — either the city should get the undisambiguated title, or the undisambiguated title should become a dab page. Bearcat 04:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

In that case, I think I agree with you - this should just be at Trois-Rivières. john k 05:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I support the move, as it would conform to the Canadian naming conventions for cities, and the move would be consistent with other similar moves (e.g. Gatineau). Skeezix1000 11:16, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ditto - go for it. As far as I know the city of Trois-Rivières has a monopoly on the name. --dragfyre 13:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose. "3 rivers" a unique name? What about the districts Trois-Rivières (Lower Canada), Trois-Rivières (electoral district), Trois-Rivières (provincial electoral district), Trois-Rivières (Province of Canada). Three Rivers (the English translation) is a dab page already, which contains links to Trois-Rivières. This is exactly the king of pitfall that a solid naming convention was trying to avoid. --Qyd 05:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Perhaps, but the name "Trois-Rivieres" is generally recognized as referring to the city; all the articles you've cited are about geographical divisions which contain the City of Trois-Rivieres. Unless there are notable uses of "Trois-Rivieres" (the french name, not the english translation) that do not relate to the city in Quebec, I still support the move. --dragfyre 14:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not contesting the primary meaning. Just the uniqueness. --Qyd 14:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Per the existing naming convention, a city's name does not have to be strictly unique to be moved to the undisambiguated title; "primary meaning" is a sufficient criterion. Bearcat 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

• Support as a no brainer. In my opinion, districts and electoral ridings always fall below cities in precedent (unless it was a historically important district eg District of Keewatin). And we're arguing Trois-Rivières here, not "Three Rivers". Nobody in the last century has referred to it as "Three Rivers". So, use most common name as of today. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 23:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

• Support. It has more than ten times the population of Trois-Rivières, Guadeloupe. Lotheric 12:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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Move back to Trois-Rivières, Quebec

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no move.

This Trois-Rivières article title is not specific. I would've oppose the move from Trois-Rivières, Quebec to Trois-Rivières. All of the article titles contains a city with a province name. For example Sherbrooke, Quebec is a specific city with a provincial specific name and many of the cities with a province to form a main article title. This Trois-Rivières article title has to move back to it's Trois-Rivières, Quebec actual article title to make it specific. Steam5 (talk) 08:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. We've had long discussions about naming conventions for Canadian geopolitical entities over the past three or four years, and the consensus we reached in 2007 is defined at Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/Style guide. There's no need to revert to previously-used, and now discarded, conventions. Mindmatrix 14:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. The current name conforms to the naming convention at Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/Style guide. And the suggestion that "All of the article titles contains a city with a province name" is not correct, as a review of article titles for Canadian settlements and communities worldwide (U.S. being the exception) clearly indicates. As for the nominator's specificity concerns, I am not sure how you can get more specific than the current name of the article, which is the name of the place -- disambiguation has nothing to do with specificity. Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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Trois-Rivières sex worker scandal

It might be a good idea to talk about Julien Ringuette, the pimp, and the massive police and Canadian military crack down on sex workers. 100 sex workers in Trois-Rivières were arrested during the biggest sex crack down in world history. The pimp was called Julien Ringuette. He is currently in a maximum security penitentiary. Also, a minimum security prison had to be enlarged to house the 47 sex workers convicted to 10 years in jail each. Trois-Rivières is now famous for this huge sex crack down.

Not sure this is notable enough to merit its own section in the article; maybe as a passing note in a larger section on the socio-economic problems of Trois-Rivières (those could fill up a whole phone book). Can you provide credible online references (i.e. not blogs) mentioning the case? —dragfyre 19:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Trois-Rivières is the home town of the Star wars kid

Might be a good idea to talk about the star wars kid (ghyslain raza), biggest internet phenomenon of all time, he is from trois-rivières. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.163.252 (talk) 02:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Before doing that, you might want to consult the Star Wars kid discussion page, which contains an imposing amount of discussion about the Star Wars kid phenomenon, including whether or not to include his name, etc. You'll notice that "Star Wars Kid" has a wiki page, and his full name doesn't, which is probably due to him being underage. tl;dr you may try, but know that many editors will oppose. I know that, since I've worked on this article, several people have tried to add external links to Star Wars kid that were quickly reverted. BTW, "biggest internet phenomenon of all time" is blatantly POV. —dragfyre 19:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Organization

The "Description" section reads like a depository for miscellaneous information. In my opinion this section should be removed and the information distributed among new sections: Geography (including discussion of the city name), Culture, Industry, and the existing History section. I can also add more detail and citations from the April 2009 Canadian Geographic magazine which has a feature article on Trois-Rivieres. Any opposition to the proposed reorganization? Zatoichi26 (talk) 20:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Do it (if you're still interested; it's been almost a year now, lol)! Expanding and reorganizing the "Description" section in the way you've outlined sounds just fine. Note that there's already a "Culture" section too, so you can use that one to move further information into. --dragfyre (talk 20:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

No one took care of that ambiguous table in the demographics.

Did someone made the difference between Canadians (who can be, among other things, French-Canadians, naturalized French citizens, Anglophones) and French (who, in the official meaning, are only citizens of France, but in the popular talk, will be, among other things, french-speaking people, either French-Canadians, naturalized French citizens, French citizens or citizens of French african nations)

Listen guys, this encyclopedia is a POPULAR one, and it should be easy to understand by everyone. No matter if the people at the census couldn't make the difference between a language and a citizenship, the regular people looking at wikipedia are even less likely to understand if we present the information this way, with no explanations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.162.58.17 (talk) 14:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Relying on agreed journalistic and international naming conventions, the proper title for people who speak French in Canada is: French Canadian, no hyphen. This distinguishes from hyphenated titles that denote origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.144.151.249 (talk) 00:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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