Talk:Total Drama World Tour/Archive 2

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Question

I've seen an edit reverted on this page, and it was about the team name. I saw the episode, and the team name is "Team Chris is Really Really Really Really Hot". I know it seems like an awkward team name that would be vandalism if added (I agree with that), but it is the team name. Does anyone agree that it should be added, or should it have a source? --Hadger 21:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind. I see why the edit was reverted now. --Hadger 21:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

My thinking behind the team name is that it should just be called Team Chris throughout the article. It would seem really goofy (even though it is the "real" team name) to have Team Chris is Really, Really, Really, Really Hot listed many times in the article. I doubt that they will use the full name in the rest of the episodes since it will get really stupid. --DragonofFire (龙火) 03:41, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

My thought is to use the full name the first time the team is discussed, perhaps in the Format section, as follows:

The contestants were divided into three teams: Team Amazon, Team Chris Is Really Really Really Really Hot ("Team Chris"), and Team Victory.

That's standard notation for giving something with an awkwardly long name a short name to be used throughout the rest of the writing. —C.Fred (talk) 03:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. --DragonofFire (龙火) 03:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I wonder why Sierra went off team chris and it is called Team Chris is Really Really Really Really Really Hot still has that name!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MadonnaPenguin (talk • contribs) 01:14, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Color

The use of color on this page does not conform to guidelines set out in WP:COLOR. Vision impaired people may not be able to see all that is hidden behind inaccessible colors. Wildhartlivie (talk) 15:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I tend to agree, but this is close to the same color scheme as has been used on previous "Total Drama" pages. Even though I personally do, I can't see others supporting this change now. Twentydragon (talk) 10:18, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

This topic has been resolved (for now) in another section. Twentydragon (talk) 15:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Lets not put Duncan as out of the competition

I know that Duncan quit......i saw the episode and i predicted that....but there was a trailer in CN which is usually reliable(Owen and Courtney in TDA)...he was shown in the part with the marriage thing......it could be an aftermath of a challenge in the show to be able to come back..........also in that trailer he was shown in a part where i think all cast members except Ezekial were standing and he was smiling looking like he did something wrong.....coming back into the plane maybe?......Also he was shown kissing Gwen and in fact it was on the plane itself which further show fact that Duncan could come back.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

The question is, what's his demonstrated status now? If he's quit and out of the competition, then that's how he needs to be listed. It's synthesis to say he's not out based on his re-appearing later. What if he was re-admitted to the competition, which has happened with other competitors in past seasons. If it hasn't aired in an episode and can't be referenced to a reliable source, we shouldn't be drawing any conclusions and putting them into the article. —C.Fred (talk) 23:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

But if he comes back...the whole aspect of quitting is nullifiedand it would almost be like Courtney in TDA.....came back in the Middle but was never really out..I think it should be more like putting out instead of quit because quit means out and doesnt come back.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Key word: if. Right now, he's not in the competition, so he should either be shown as just out, quit, or disqualified for failing to sing. —C.Fred (talk) 00:25, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Agreed--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Episodes in Elimination table

Shouldn't all the episodes be there, like this?

Place	Name	Ep 1	Ep 2	Ep 3	Ep 4	Ep 5	Ep 6	Ep 7	Ep 8	Ep 9	Ep 10	Ep 11	Ep 12	Ep 12	Ep 14	Ep 15	Ep 16	Ep 17	Ep 18	Ep 19	Ep 20	Ep 21	Ep 22	Ep 23	Ep 24	Ep 25	Ep 26	Ep 27
1	Heather	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	TBA
2	Alejandro	IN	IN	IN	WIN	TBA
3	Cody	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	TBA
4	Sierra*	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	TBA
5	Courtney	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	TBA
6	Owen	IN	IN	IN	WIN	TBA
7	Gwen	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	TBA
8	Tyler	IN	IN	IN	WIN	TBA
9	Noah	IN	IN	IN	WIN	TBA
10	DJ	WIN	LOW	LOW	LOW	TBA
11	Izzy*	IN	IN	IN	WIN	TBA
12	Lindsay	WIN	IN	IN	IN	TBA
13	LeShawna	WIN	IN	IN	IN	TBA
14	Bridgette	WIN	IN	IN	OUT	TBA
15	Harold	WIN	IN	QUIT
16	Ezekiel	IN	OUT
17	Duncan	QUIT

I looked through Total Drama Action's history & noticed that when the elimination table was first created, it had all the episodes of the season [1]. As you can see from the table & the edit date, this was shortly after the fifth episode aired. So should the elimination table have all the episodes now & if not, when should they be added? SNS (talk) 04:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Frankly, I find that table visually confusing, because the TBAs are the same colour as the empty rows for eliminated players. Even with a different colour, I don't think the unaired episodes need columns yet. —C.Fred (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The TBAs were the same color as the empty rows for eliminated players when the concept was first introduced in the Total Drama Action article [2] up until the last time the TBAs were on the table [3] SNS (talk) 01:33, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Harold's comeback

in episode 3, harold did not get voted off but instead quit, like duncan who was revealed to return in a future episode during a trailer. is it possible harold could also return? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.121.231 (talk) 04:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Everyone has a possibility of returning. Also, it is also possible that Duncan isn't returning. He could simply just be helping Chris in the challenge for that episode, so even if it is possible, it shouldn't be put into the article. There is no reliable source that clearly states that Duncan is returning, so it shouldn't be put into the article. Anyway, thanks for discussing it on the talk page before adding it onto the article. --Hadger 04:12, 12 July 2010

Episode 3

Just to put this out there DJ should be LOW instead of IN. He would have been voted out if Harold didn't withdraw —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pikajens (talk • contribs) 13:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes I agree. (98.231.218.47 (talk) 14:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC))

Edit request from 108.0.125.5, 10 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} bridgette get eliminated in the next episode because team victory loses again and she kissed alejandro and she already has a boyfriend so she jumps out of the plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

108.0.125.5 (talk) 02:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —C.Fred (talk) 03:39, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Next 2 eliminations are confirmed

Bridgette and LeShawna. Go search up total drama world tour on the wikia, go to the talk page: archive ten, and youll find some spoilers, or just visit utube and search total drama world tour spoilers. i think u should add these two eliminations to the table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.218.47 (talk) 16:34, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers on a talk page are not a reliable source. Nor, frankly, are spoilers found on YouTube—I can't imagine the studio willingly releasing that kind of a spoiler, so that breaks the chain of evidence, so to speak, of verifiability. —C.Fred (talk) 16:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I have more evidence but I can't find the link to them yet. Hold on for a second... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.218.47 (talk) 14:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok now I have the link for LeShawnas boot. Here it is. Just go to images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100613205234/totaldramaisland/images/3/3f/Episodio_6_o_7.jpg

Wikia is a fan based site, with that being said, the German Alps episode has not recieved an airdate so her elimination cannot be revealed yet and that passport shot could be photoshoped-Hunterkok

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.218.47 (talk) 14:48, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, we'll just have to wait and see. But if I'm right, I'm going to say a victorious HA on your talk page =D (98.231.218.47 (talk) 21:32, 12 July 2010 (UTC))

I can make an argument for Bridgette being booted because at the end of the teaser trailer in CN you can see DJ, LeShawna, and Lindsay at the door of the plane and Chris saying "didnt see that one coming"....basically saying somehow Bridgette quit or fell or something...--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

LESHAWNA IS NOT VOTED OFF IN EPISODE 5

After Cn ended the episode when Bridgette is voted off ( because Alejandro tricked her into kissing him only to put a pole in front of her with the results of her tongue being stuck to the pole, making her team lose for her not at the finish line of the sled race) I'll get to the point. The next episode trailer shows Heather on the elimination area of the plane looking out the door where the elimanted contestant jumps off. That means team Amazon loses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 01:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, we can't add guesses. Trailers are not always reliable. Heather could've just switched teams, or she could've just been there at the time and looked. Maybe she had to jump out as part of the challenge. Besides, we are suppose to put facts on Wikipedia not guesses. --Hadger 08:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, don't worry. We won't put that LeShawna gets voted off in episode 5 unless she gets eliminated when the episode airs. --Hadger 08:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

LeShawna is voted off in Epsiode 6, Episode 5 is a reward, most likely Broadway Baby! (98.231.218.47 (talk) 14:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC))

In the trailer which has been reliable so far.....it was mentioned that "you wouldnt believe who gets voted off"...saying that...heather is not voted off...Cody cant because he was seen in a Roman episode.....Gwen and Courtney were seen with Duncan.....so it could only mean that Sierra could be the one to go next--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 18:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, as I said before, we can't put guesses. Also, the Total Drama wiki can't be used as a source. --Hadger 07:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I know that. U said that twice already. But that is a fact, I tell you. A FACT and if none of u guys dont believe me just becuz im an ip well wait and see. IT'S ON(98.231.218.47 (talk) 01:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)) or RealityShowsRCool

Wow, Hadger is right Total Drama Wiki is just a site where people can post anything, and should not be used as a source.Its not a fact until the episode airs. sorry to tell you that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolbiscuit (talk • contribs) 15:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I had to edit your post. It was causing formatting problems on the page. Twentydragon (talk) 10:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

(Reply to RSRC) Being an IP isn't the reason we don't believe you. In fact, the Total Drama Wiki is the site we don't believe. If Total Drama wiki used reliable sources, then we would use the sources. However, Total Drama wiki doesn't use sources at all, so we can't use Total Drama wiki as a source. --Hadger 02:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

"IN" should NOT be teal

I don't like how IN is in teal. It distracts all of the other important things like the win and the low. I think it should be a bashe, light gray, or a light color. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 02:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree. --DragonofFire (龙火) 16:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, we're talking about this very subject in another section. Twentydragon (talk) 05:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

@Twentydragon Sorry didn't stalk the page.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 03:44, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I prefer this color-  

TDTW is Different

In the past season there were a lot of patterns to which episodes there were eliminations, now because there is no specific pattern to the eliminations, there will be a lot more guesses on who will be eliminated.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 18:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Uh oh... That might be a problem.... Hopefully there aren't many guesses. --Hadger 07:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Remember u guyz, come back to planet earth.......lets not argue over a cartoon--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 17:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah...(98.231.218.47 (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC))

The elimination table

Why do you guys like the upgraded version?? I thought it was fine the other way. Speak your opinion here. (98.231.218.47 (talk) 14:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC))

This has already been discussed in another section. Twentydragon (talk) 22:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protect, please

There has been an amazing amount of vandalism just in the past few days from an IP-labeled user. I suggest semi-protecting this page again. Twentydragon (talk) 23:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Which user? I hope its not me? All I'm trying to do is help the Wikipedia(98.231.218.47 (talk) 11:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC))

Dunno, but I doubt it; you seem reasonable enough. I didn't make it a point to memorize the numbers. Although, you may want to consider creating an account so you can continue to make helpful edits even after the page has been semi-protected. Twentydragon (talk) 00:15, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Let's put this page on lock, please!

We seriously have retards working the elimination table. I mean really, who cares what place they crossed in episode 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 03:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

The changes to the table have been discussed in another section. Please direct related comments there. Twentydragon (talk) 09:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

And do not say retard, you fool. It's mean, and it can get you banned indefinitely (98.231.218.47 (talk) 11:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC))

Name-calling is not helpful in any way, regardless of the word being used. If you're going to ask someone else to stop, it helps if you don't engage in it yourself. Twentydragon (talk) 22:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I happen to hate that dang word (98.231.218.47 (talk) 23:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC))

The point still stands, though. Every possible name you can call someone can be construed as more offensive than another by at least someone out there. It just helps you if you don't do it at all. Thank you. Twentydragon (talk) 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I knew it!

I bet nobody remembers but I put a link on one of the episode talk pages that said the titles of the next 2 episodes. But they were edited by a user who thought it was out of good faith, but bad links. And now those titles are confirmed. HA!!!!!!!!!!!! (98.231.218.47 (talk) 11:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC))

That does not mean the user was wrong in undoing the edit. We can't have unconfirmed or unverifiable information here, even though it might be correct. Instead, that's what these Talk pages are for. Please post such things here. Thank you for your efforts. Twentydragon (talk) 22:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Canadian Website

The Canadian website for "Total Drama: World Tour" has been launched. It's right here. Can this be added to the list of External Links? Thanks 70.52.129.103 (talk) 15:24, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I will defer to a Canadian editor to evaluate it, as the site filters non-Canadian IPs. My concern is whether the site is official: The copyright notice credits "zinc Roe Productions Inc.", who is not mentioned in the article. By contrast, if Fresh TV held the copyright, I'd have gone ahead and added it. —C.Fred (talk) 16:10, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow thanks :) (98.231.218.47 (talk) 23:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC))

I'm going to add it in, it's legit - Teletoon (here) and the FreshTV blog (here) have both linked to it. 70.52.129.103 (talk) 14:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Episode 6 (aftermath 1)

Since episode 6 is a non elimination episode should a note be added on the elimination table stating that it was an aftermath episode and no mistake has been made? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.12.250 (talk) 19:39, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, it is not an aftermath episode.--66.211.46.5 (talk) 22:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

But it is a Aftermath episode . Look at the episode list , episode #6 is an aftermath episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.12.250 (talk) 14:00, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

It is getting confusing that they aftermath episodes online in USA and not in Canada. Should we count "Slap Slap Revolution as episode 6 in USA and episode 7 in Canada?--66.211.46.127 (talk) 17:57, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd be in favor of keeping the first Aftermath episode listed as episode 6. Twentydragon (talk) 21:35, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it should stay episode 6 . Because if you wanted to see the episode on let's say YouTube, you would search "Total Drama World Tour Episode 6" And it's also the number given from production.– —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.12.250 (talk) 23:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Just delete the elimination table

The table looks really mess up right now & i think its not necessary to keep it with all over the changes & when ever i change it to the old one like how it was for the page of total drama island & total drama action. It looks a lot better & neater the old way. I know this has been discussed way to much but i want this one to stand out & for people to realize if nobody likes it we should just delete it & JUST WATCH THE SHOW. It's not fun to know what happens next. xoxo elllla <3

The fact that it looks messy is no reason to delete it. That's a reason to clean up the table. I agree that it should look like the first two seasons' tables; however, it sounds like some colour changing is desired to map the teams' identifying colours to those used on the show. —C.Fred (talk) 23:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you with the colours. I just thought if it looked like the first two seasons it would be a lot better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 23:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

me 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.218.47 (talk) 23:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

The first two seasons' tables are practically unreadable and use far too many colors to indicate various things that shouldn't even be separate in the first place. Many of the colors used are too dark to use black text (which they do) or are too close to another color used to be easily distinguishable. We've already been discussing this at length in another section, so that it will better conform to Wikipedia's color standards. Twentydragon (talk) 21:35, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Pending Reviews

Does everyone like the pending review format of the article now? TDI19 (talk) 23:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Its ok--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:55, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from ColdplayFan1, 31 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Place Name Current Team Ep 1 Ep 2 Ep 3 Ep 4 Ep 53 Ep 64 Ep 7 Ep 8 — Alejandro Chris IN IN IN WIN LOSE IN IN IN — Cody Amazon IN WIN WIN IN WIN IN WIN LOSE — Courtney Amazon IN WIN WIN IN WIN IN WIN LOSE — DJ Victory IN LOW LOW LOW IN IN LOW WIN — Gwen Amazon IN WIN WIN IN WIN IN WIN LOSE — Heather Amazon IN WIN WIN IN WIN IN WIN LOSE — Izzy1 Chris IN IN IN WIN LOSE IN IN IN — Lindsay Victory IN LOSE LOSE LOSE IN IN LOSE WIN — Noah Chris IN IN IN WIN LOSE IN IN IN — Owen Chris IN IN IN WIN LOSE IN IN IN — Sierra1 Amazon IN WIN WIN IN WIN IN WIN LOSE — Tyler Chris IN IN IN WIN LOSE IN IN IN 13 LeShawna Victory IN LOSE LOSE LOSE IN IN OUT 14 Bridgette Victory IN LOSE LOSE OUT 15 Harold Victory IN LOSE QUIT 16 Ezekiel Victory IN OUT 17 Duncan None QUIT

I saw the episode and thus is and I want to edit it so as for all to know

ColdplayFan1 (talk) 01:44, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:58, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

HEATHER SHOULD BE LOW ON EPISODE 8

On the elimination table, Heather should be low on episode 8 cause she was suppose to be eliminated but since Chris told her it was a reward challenge, she was not eliminated.

Place	Name	Ep 12	Ep 2	Ep 3	Ep 4	Ep 53	Ep 7	Ep 83	Ep 9	Ep 103	Ep 11	Ep 13	Ep 143	Ep 15	Ep 16	Ep 173	Ep 19	Ep 20	Ep 21	Ep 223	Ep 23	Ep 2414	Ep 253	Ep 26
1	Heather	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	WIN	LOW	WIN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	WIN	IN	IN	LOW	IN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	WINNER!

I think light coral is a good color, but it can be anything different. I also think we should add a different color "low" in the color box. Example:

  The contestant was suppose to be eliminated, but the challenge was a reward challenge.

Hey guys, ABC and Cartoon Network just spoiled new batch of episodes. From their descriptions, I can tell the elimination order up to the final 4.

19th: Duncan

18th: Ezekiel

17th: Harold

16th: Bridgette

15th: LeShawna

14th: Lindsay

13th: DJ

12th: Noah (In a reward challenge, Duncan returns and is placed on Team CIRRRRH) 11th: Tyler

10th: Gwen

9th: Owen (Blaineley comes in this episode)

8th: Izzy

7th/6th: Courtney and Blaineley

Final Four

The rest are predictions

5th: Sierra

4th: Alejandro

3rd: Heather (Ezekiel comes in to challenge Cody for the Championship) 2nd: Ezekiel

1st: Cody —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.208.122 (talk) 05:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Please don't post predictions here. That's not only not what these pages are for, it's also a waste of space. Twentydragon (talk) 01:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

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Re: Where is Duncan??? After returning... he might win or he might be eliminated.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.82.55.187 (talk) 15:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Where is the link to this?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:24, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Twentydragon, I like you a lot but I feel that ur a bit bossy and ppl should be able to type down their opinion. Srry if i offended u but plz can u offer a little bit of freedom on a TALK PAGE (not the real article). Plz dont ban me. I really honestly look up to u twenty but ppl have a right to jot down their predictions and be entitled to their opinion. Thanks for ur input and contribution, too. (98.231.152.2 (talk) 14:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)) or RSRC

Regardless of what you think of me, talk pages are supposed to be used to discuss ways in which the article can be improved, not to discuss the subject matter (sources: WP:FORUM, WP:TALKNO). Having an opinion is fine, but there are forums out there for it. Wikipedia is not a forum. Twentydragon (talk) 00:27, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. You've got a point, but if anybody here is with me on being free to predict, can you plz make an exception? (98.231.153.117 (talk) 17:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC))

Oh shoot, my IP changed. (98.231.153.117 (talk) 17:14, 10 August 2010 (UTC))

No, we can't make an exception. It's a Wikipedia rule. Although we have WP: Ignore all rules, this wouldn't be the right way to use it. I wish we could make an exception, but we can't. Like Twentydragon said, there are always other sites where you can express your opinions, and those sites will be completely okay with it. Wikipedia is sadly not one of those sites. Sometimes rules can be hard to understand, but rules are rules. Also, don't worry. One accidental and unintentional attack will not get you blocked (especially since it would be unintentional). Remember, other sites will allow predictions, but talk pages are for discussing article changes, not predictions. Like I think I might have said before, creativeness can be useful around Wikipedia when thinking of new rules, templates, or features, so don't let the rule that we can't have predictions on talk pages stop you from using creativeness on Wikipedia. --Hadger 20:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Yea, I have to agree with Hadger and Twentydragon here, an easy way of still putting your preidctions on Wikipedia is just making an account and putting predictions in your page, I also was kinda mad i couldnt predict on these pages but then I made my page and put predictions on there and i get feedback from it, were not trying to be mean, were just trying to follow the rules.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Episode 10

I think episode 10 is called "Newf Kids On the Rock".--66.211.46.127 (talk) 00:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea Why this (↓) was moved down here. I did not do it.−--66.211.46.127 (talk) 00:40, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

you are right (98.231.152.2 (talk) 13:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC))

yay or nay this one guys

Hey my IP changed, so you might know who I am because I told Hadger who I was and allowed him to tell others of my change. Plus, if you guys don't allow the predictions on the talk page dont blame me bcuz i was on vacation. (98.231.152.2 (talk) 13:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC))

Yeah, predictions aren't really allowed on Talk pages. These are meant to be for discussions on how to improve the article, not discussion of the subject matter. Thanks. Twentydragon (talk) 00:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ya i watched it this morning its true i don't really think someone could make that episode up and upload it on youtube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 06:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I know, but either way, YouTube is not a good source. --Hadger 00:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Youtube Reliability

Usually youtube is not a reliable source but if episode 10 comes out the way it did on youtube then i believe that all unaired episodes (with exception of finale where multiple endings are known to exist) that appear on youtube to be reliable. I think it's only logical to think in that manner. With that being said, Jamacain Me Sweat was uploaded and Izzy was taken out of the game by the military and DJ was eliminated because he got last in the challenge. (BTW Izzy got taken away and the last thing owen said about her was that she discovered how to time travel so maybe all the events of TDWT will change because of that, doubtful but who knows) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris4z01 (talk • contribs) 02:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes Chris is right. There are many links to future episodes on youtube. But they are unlisted videos, meaning they are not specifically there when u search it up , but this user on TDW named Smenky or something like that has the links. RealityShowsRock (talk · contribs)

Edit request from Gaga_Baba, 9 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Please change the word from the elimination table "quit" to "out", also leaving it in orange.

Please leave the page for everyone to edit it. Thank you, Gaga_Baba. Gaga_Baba 14:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

There is a comment within the article source which says, Do not change this. "QUIT" was used in the TDA Elimination table, so it should be used here as well.

I started the quit thing. (98.231.153.117 (talk) or now RealityShowsRock (talk · contribs) 15:28, 18 August 2010 (UTC)) Not logged in.

Therefore, we would need to see a clear consensus here, on the talk page, before making that change.

Regarding the protection, to request that it be unprotected, see WP:RPP.

 Not done  Chzz  ►  14:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

We had a clear consensus in another section to use "WD" instead of "QUIT". This has, however, been ignored on numerous occasions, despite repeated requests that editors read and discuss edits prior to implementing new ones. Twentydragon (talk) 00:14, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 173.172.49.215, 16 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} I would like to change "New Kids on the Rock" to "Newf Kids on the Rock", because the first one is wrong. Source: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/total-drama-world-tour/episode-guide/EP01268812

173.172.49.215 (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Done Thanks, Celestra (talk) 23:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Episode 17

Any of u guys see it leaked yet? (RealityShowsRock (talk) 14:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC))

Here it is: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=ARV11UAE

Pretty good episode I guess.. -Bubbles62681 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.127.129.76 (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Link for Ep 18

www.megavideo.com/?v=LFNGZKW

(RealityShowsRock (talk) 13:03, 20 August 2010 (UTC))

Episode 13

Wheres the link to that episode?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 22:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 190.43.235.176, 22 August 2010

190.43.235.176 (talk) 21:28, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

What's the request? —C.Fred (talk) 22:28, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Owen has been eliminated in the Niagra Falls episode

Today in Australia TDWT aired the Niagra Falls episode where Owen was eliminated. I don't know how to change the table, so could someone please do it. Oh, and Duncan and Courtney won the challenge, Heather and Sierra was low. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.56.209 (talk) 08:29, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Praise for the flag idea

Just saying, I extremely agree with the flag idea somebody posted below the episode columns. Really liked it, great job guys! =) RealityShowsRCool (talk · contribs)

Hats off to TDI19 for that one. Twentydragon (talk) 22:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I thought it would be great for the table! Here is the link to the template for people to edit the table: Template:TDWT Elimination Table. TDI19 (talk) 23:58, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Wrong newfoundland flag

On the elemination chart the nefonland flag is far outdated to olden times when we wrere our own country here is the our flag as a province of Canada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Newfoundland_and_Labrador.svg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megamaxxor (talk • contribs) 01:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Y Done. Nice catch. Thanks for correcting that. Twentydragon (talk) 01:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Episode 22

If Easter Island belongs to Chile, there should not be the flag of this country? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gotsitemo (talk • contribs) 23:18, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

In the same way that we're using state and province flags for episodes set in the United States and Canada (respectively), we've been using flags that are just as reasonably specific. However, if you're saying that, like Newfoundland, Easter Island no longer has its own flag and instead flies the flag of Chile, we'll use that instead. Twentydragon 23:35, 26 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twentydragon (talk • contribs)

Before editing...

It took a long time and a lot of experimentation to find a color scheme that worked as well as this does. If you seek to change it, please post your reasoning here, along with a preview of what it will look like. Also, don't forget to sign your posts, especially if you're posting a new color scheme or table layout idea. We'd like to know who we're talking to. Twentydragon (talk) 07:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Very good job again, TDI19. (98.231.153.117 (talk) 13:39, 26 August 2010 (UTC))

Dark Blue Outs?

I would prefer to change the inactive color back to gray because the blue is too dark and makes an unpleasant contrast. --DragonofFire (龙火) 01:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea why it would have been like that, but someone appears to have fixed it already. Twentydragon (talk) 07:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Should we say in the lightgray column for Ezekiel that he makes cameos in episodes?

Since his sorta sad departure, he's made cameos in epiosdes 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 (98.231.153.117 (talk) 14:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)) or RSR logged out

No. This is a table for competition status. The cameos he makes are supposed to be something that you yourself spot, like a "Where's Waldo?" of sorts. You wouldn't want someone giving you the answers to those, would you? Twentydragon (talk) 21:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Is the Blaineley source needed tag still necessary?

Since it is pretty clear that she is in the show since episode 19.--Tricia Takanawa (talk) 23:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

It was removed, but I think we should still have a source. --Hadger 22:56, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Auxdieux cody

i saw the first 8 minuites of epidode 25 and 26 in episode 25 cody and aljehandro tie for second in episode 26 they have a tie breaker and cody loses -Megamaxxor (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC).

While this may be true, we should wait until the entire episodes are available before posting their results. Twentydragon 23:16, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Flags gone

It seems the usage of flags is a very serious issue in wikipedia, potentially harmful to the integrity of current world order.--Tricia Takanawa (talk) 00:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean??? The flags didn't do anything wrong! (98.231.153.117 (talk) 00:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)) or RealityShowsRock not logged in

I was just trying to be sarcastic. I didn't remove the flags. But the flags seem to break certain wiki rules Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)--Tricia Takanawa (talk) 01:18, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

No they don't. The flags are used correctly in the table. See WP:CONS and WP:IAR for more about that. Twentydragon 01:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Heather and Alejandro: Top 2?

Does anyone think that'll happen? (RealityShowsRock (talk) 12:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC))

According to TDI19's latest edits, it does. However, I think we should wait for the full episodes to become available before putting it up on the table. Twentydragon 20:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Just saw it. I'm so correct. I'll edit it the table with a link. (RealityShowsRock (talk) 00:35, 28 August 2010 (UTC))

AND THE WINNER IS HEATHER

On the ABC website the name of the final episode is writen down as Hawiian Punch (heather wins) Megamaxxor (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC).

U r wrong...in Hawaiian Punch, Cody gets eliminated...in Planes, Trains and Hot Air Mobiles(the episode before) Cody and Alejandro tie in a tiebreaker challenge(after Heather wins challenge) so Chris makes it a non-elim challenge so Cody gets elim. in Hawaiian Punch-the twenty-sixth episode Willowsamre (talk)

Heather might win... Willowsamre (talk)

Please don't post guesses here. Twentydragon 20:11, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Whos guesing on the tv guide on ABC3 it says Hawaiian punch (heather wins) Thats the actual nmae of the episoed most likly because of all teh alternate endings. Megamaxxor (talk) 23:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Megamaxxor is right. On ABC3 website, the title of the 26th episode is indeed "Hawaiian Punch (Heather Wins)". Looks like Heather did win after all.

http://www.abc.net.au/abc3/shows/guide/201009/ZX0917A026.htm

--Tricia Takanawa (talk) 00:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Twentydragon, I don't think these are guesses... (RealityShowsRock (talk) 12:05, 28 August 2010 (UTC))

ok this just in in season one in australia Gwen won in season 2 Beth won so this may mean we will have a difrent turn out in the us and canada. Megamaxxor (talk) 17:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Even if Heather wins in the Australian version, we should not put her as the winner in the table since that was in Australia. We must wait until the finale airs in the U.S. before placing the winner. --DragonofFire (龙火) 18:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Good point. There is precedent in earlier Total Drama seasons for having different winners in different geographical regions. It is entirely possible that Heather will win in the Australian version but not in the U.S. version. Accordingly, calling a winner based on an Australian TV listing is serious crystal ball gazing. —C.Fred (talk) 18:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I think we should list the winner in Australia temporarily, with a note stating that it might be an alternate ending. Later, we would then replace the column (if necessary) with the Canadian ending. Twentydragon 19:48, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Agree with the latter. (RealityShowsRock (talk) 20:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC))

Um im just saying this as well, even Cody might not have been eliminated and it could have been Alejandro that lost the tiebreaker and Cody could have won the final, my prediction, just a prediction is that instead of 2 versions of the final because there were 2 finalists, there could be 3 different versions of the finale since in fact there were 3 finalists in the last episodes.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 22:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Yah I was thinking about that. Ill go change it to A.Megamaxxor (talk) 22:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

See this is how i think its going to work, Heather wins in Australia,Alejandro wins in Canada, and Cody wins in the US with Heather being in the final 2 in all three versions, unless they made 3 different versions of episode 25 also which would mean Heather also could have been in the tiebreaker!--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 15:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, I believe a girl needs to win since it's been two guy winners in the best season (my opinion), Total Drama Island, and the worst season (my opinion, again), Total Drama Action. (RealityShowsRock (talk) 21:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC))

Well, it seems there are no canon winners in the series. In seasons two and three, no one ever mentions Owen or Gwen winning TDI, or Duncan or Beth winning TDA. It's as if there really are no winners at all, and they just act out an ending for the fun of it. Twentydragon 00:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Why is the Australian version put up?

It's going to be different in the Canadian version and American version so why did we put the Australian version up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 17:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Because it's the only information we have right now. If you read the footnote on the page, we have stated that we'll be replacing the information with what happens in the Canadian version when that becomes available. Twentydragon 20:11, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

You mean the North American version (which both Canadian and American versions are the same).--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 20:30, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Sure, that. I specify "Canadian" because if the U.S. version does happen to be different this time, the Canadian version should still be the one that gets listed, simply because that's where the cartoon comes from. Twentydragon 22:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Why can't the two versions both be presented? This is like North America trumps Australia.--Tricia Takanawa (talk) 22:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

That's not the case at all. The ending shown in the region from which the cartoon originates will be considered the main ending for the table. Any other endings that may appear elsewhere will be considered alternate endings and will be mentioned in a footnote. If it came from Australia, then Australia's ending would be the main one. It has nothing to do with one region "trumping" another. Twentydragon 00:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

A suggestion

For the Total Drama Reloaded ET, we should make it a template too. That seems to stop IPs. But we should semi-protect the template. (RealityShowsRock (talk) 00:35, 28 August 2010 (UTC))

I'd be in favor of this. Twentydragon 01:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Can ww semi-protect this one too? And Twentydragon, are you an admin? (RealityShowsRock (talk) 11:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC))

No, I'm not. But I agree that the page would do well to be semi-protected. Twentydragon 19:43, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

1st/2nd/3rd?

Should it be numerical, or should it be WINNER, RUNNER-UP, and THIRD? TDI19 (talk) 23:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It's nice and concise as ordinals. I don't see a need to change them to text. Twentydragon 06:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I like them too, so we are set there. TDI19 (talk) 02:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Elimination Table Colors

The elimination table is changing too much which causes some problems. I don't really think the different color "IN" is necessary. If it were to stay, I think it contrasts too much with the other colors and I believe it should be relatively the same color as the regular "IN". The "IN" currently is a darkish teal. I think it should either be a light beige/yellow or the second color should not exist at all.

Secondly, I do not think the "HIGH"s should be included in the table. It really has no significance whatsoever regarding the elimination. The "LOW"s, on the other hand, have somewhat of a purpose since it shows who almost went home. I took the one HIGH that was in the table (for Leshawna) until further consensus.

Lastly, the table does not look eye appealing, which is another reason to get rid of the other IN color. The table looks like a semi-rainbow and colors, such as blue and yellow/red, do not look appealing. Users with IP addresses just keep changing the elimination table's colors without an explanation. --DragonofFire (龙火) 04:29, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Then why don't we agree on a standard set to use on all Total Drama tables? Preferably something that's readable. Black on dark red does not qualify. I suggest white on dark red for eliminations, black on orange for withdrawals, black on yellow for low-placings, white on medium green for winners, and a black on a light green for those who advanced because of a teammate. That should be all we need. Twentydragon (talk) 10:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

So far the table looks like this:

Place	Name	Ep 1	Ep 2
TBA	Alejandro	IN	IN
TBA	Bridgette	WIN	IN
TBA	Cody	IN	WIN
TBA	Courtney	IN	WIN
TBA	DJ	WIN	LOW
TBA	Gwen	IN	WIN
TBA	Harold	WIN	IN
TBA	Heather	IN	WIN
TBA	Izzy*	IN	IN
TBA	LeShawna	WIN	IN
TBA	Lindsay	WIN	IN
TBA	Noah	IN	IN
TBA	Owen	IN	IN
TBA	Sierra*	IN	WIN
TBA	Tyler	IN	IN
16	Ezekiel	IN	OUT
17	Duncan	QUIT

Using your suggestions, the table will look something like this:

Place	Name	Ep 1	Ep 2
TBA	Alejandro	IN	IN
TBA	Bridgette	WIN	IN
TBA	Cody	IN	WIN
TBA	Courtney	IN	WIN
TBA	DJ	WIN	LOW
TBA	Gwen	IN	WIN
TBA	Harold	WIN	IN
TBA	Heather	IN	WIN
TBA	Izzy*	IN	IN
TBA	LeShawna	WIN	IN
TBA	Lindsay	WIN	IN
TBA	Noah	IN	IN
TBA	Owen	IN	IN
TBA	Sierra*	IN	WIN
TBA	Tyler	IN	IN
16	Ezekiel	IN	OUT
17	Duncan	QUIT

 

 

I'm not so sure on the white on medium green since I think the medium green is light enough. I still do not believe that the second "IN" color needs to contrast that much. It should just be a beige or a light blue color so it will not stand out as much as the teal. --DragonofFire (龙火) 14:42, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

By "medium green", I meant 0-128-0, the same color used already. I don't think we even need a color for "IN". It's already descriptive enough, methinks. But nice job putting this here; 'twas a nice surprise. Twentydragon (talk) 12:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I seriously dont know which one I like better. They're both good, but in a different way. anyone here know what im saying??? (98.231.218.47 (talk) 22:55, 5 July 2010 (UTC)) or RSRC

The point I'm trying to make is that if we have a specific standard set of colors that can easily be read on virtually all monitors, then we can avoid disagreements, unnecessary codes and colors, and confusing notations in the future. Twentydragon (talk) 03:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

This is what I'm suggesting:

Place	Name	Ep 1	Ep 2
TBA	Alejandro	6th	LOST
TBA	Bridgette	5th	IN
TBA	Cody	10th	WIN
TBA	Courtney	13th	WIN
TBA	DJ	2nd	LOW
TBA	Gwen	13th	WIN
TBA	Harold	1st	LOST
TBA	Heather	12th	WIN
TBA	Izzy*	15th	IN
TBA	LeShawna	3rd	LOST
TBA	Lindsay	4th	LOST
TBA	Noah	8th	IN
TBA	Owen	9th	IN
TBA	Sierra*	10th	WIN
TBA	Tyler	7th	IN
16	Ezekiel	15th	OUT
17	Duncan	QUIT

Twentydragon (talk) 03:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I like the WIN, IN, and LOST, but i dont think the number placing is neccesary. If you are to add another color, it should be for the losing team, and not the second place team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasvisel (talk • contribs) 01:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

The numerical placing is only there because there were no defined "winners" and "losers" in the first challenge (Pyramind Over/Under), and no one was actually eliminated. The numerical placings were instead used to form the basis for the team divisions. I also don't think it's necessary to add another color unless it's something light and easy to read text against, like  . Twentydragon (talk) 02:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay, on the subject of a new standard for all Total Drama contestant tables, here is my new proposal:

Place	Name	Team	Ep 1	Ep 2	Ep 3
TBA	Alejandro	Chris	6th	IN	IN
TBA	Bridgette	Victory	5th	LOSE	LOSE
TBA	Cody	Amazon	10th	WIN	WIN
TBA	Courtney	Amazon	13th	WIN	WIN
TBA	DJ	Victory	2nd	LOW	LOW
TBA	Gwen	Amazon	13th	WIN	WIN
TBA	Heather	Amazon	12th	WIN	WIN
TBA	Izzy*	Chris	15th	IN	IN
TBA	LeShawna	Victory	3rd	LOSE	LOSE
TBA	Lindsay	Victory	4th	LOSE	LOSE
TBA	Noah	Chris	8th	IN	IN
TBA	Owen	Chris	9th	IN	IN
TBA	Sierra*	Amazon	10th	WIN	WIN
TBA	Tyler	Chris	7th	IN	IN
15	Harold	Victory	1st	LOSE	WD
16	Ezekiel	Victory	15th	OUT
17	Duncan	None	WD

Pink   Team Amazon | Yellow   Team Victory | Sky blue   Team Chris

Dark green   Direct win | Light green   Indirect win | Tan   Defeat

Dark red   Elimination | Orange   Withdrawal | Gainsboro   Low placing

Here are the issues I fixed:

• The individual challenge (Episode 1) no longer uses ambiguous "win" and "loss" terminology; rather, it uses a clear ranking system.
• Readers are no longer relying solely on the background color of a contestant's name to determine team, as per Wikipedia's Color Accessibility Standards.
•   Teal-backed "IN" spaces denoting the second-place team have been removed, in favor of a lighter,   tan-backed space denoting the losing team.
• Since   yellow is used for Team Victory,   gainsboro is used for the low placing.
• "QUIT" has been replaced with the more clear, concise, and professional "WD", for "withdrawn".

Any input you guys have for this should help standardize the tables used and make them easier to understand. Thanks. Twentydragon (talk) 18:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I think the team column isn't necessary since it is already shown in the table's key. I still like the yellow color for the "LOW"s, so the team color for team victory can go back to the golden color. I am unsure of the "LOSE"s since it shows the losing team, however, it is not in any of the previous elimination tables. Also, when the teams dissolve, only one or two people will win each challenge, meaning everyone else will "LOSE" and I just think it would be easier just to put IN. Lastly, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. placings do not follow the other tables, as well. For example, for TDA episodes 1 and 2, there was a similar format with the placings and I don't think that should change. Other than that, the table is fine and I appreciate the time you took to create the table (if any). --DragonofFire (龙火) 22:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

The Team column was added because, according to Wikipedia's Color Accessibility Standards, color should not be the sole means of communicating information. In this case, it was. Can you think of a better word to use than "LOSE" for the last-place team (after teams dissolve, "LOSE" becomes moot unless there's a tie for last place)? I see you suggested using "IN", and while that can work, I don't think we should rely on that. It goes back to using color again. I also understand the concern for the numerical placings, but I believe they're important here, since that's how teams were determined; otherwise there would only be one "WIN" (under the strictest definition) for Harold, while the rest read "IN". In addition, this is a proposal for a new standard that would replace the color schemes of the previous seasons' tables, so whether it follows them is irrelevant. Thanks for inputting, by the way. Twentydragon (talk) 04:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I think most of this table is okay, since it is made so it's better for people that are colorblind. --Hadger 04:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but I get the sense you want to suggest changes. Please do. Twentydragon (talk) 04:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't think the "LOSE" part is really necessary. We really only need to put the winning team. However, I also think it is good on the table, since some teams don't win or lose the challenge. --Hadger 08:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

So if I understand you correctly, you're saying that it's unnecessary but helpful. Is that right? Twentydragon (talk) 00:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Yup. That's what I mean. However, now I think that it should be kept on the table. --Hadger 08:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay then. If we're in agreement, I'd like to go ahead an implement this on the page. Twentydragon (talk) 23:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. The changes we discussed have been made. Twentydragon (talk) 09:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I really like the way it was before. (98.231.218.47 (talk) 02:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC))

Thanks for your input, although the previous version was extremely unfriendly to those with limited vision or color-blindness. Do you have any suggestions to improve the new one? Twentydragon (talk) 03:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

If you guys liked it better how it was or feel that the color scheme still needs improvement, please say so here before going off and changing it. Otherwise, I will assume you don't know what you're doing (which may in fact not be the case). So please, please, use the Talk page first. Twentydragon (talk) 15:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I really don't like how this one is almost completly different from the TDI and TDA ones. I mean:

• Instead of "IN" for the losing team, it's for the runner-up team. The losing team now gets "LOSE". I do think that instead of "LOSE", the runner-up team should be in the color "LOSE" is in now (tan), tagged "IN", and the losing team should get "IN" colored white.
• "LOW" is a different color (gainsboro).
• We now have an alternate column describling what team each camper is on, even placing Izzy and Sierra swapped in this section to show that they switched teams. The latter is completly unnecessary, they switched teams nearly in the begining like Izzy and Saide, we can just put it in a footnote. If it's to sort them out via teams, it's bad because Izzy would be grouped with Team Amazon (and Sierra on Chris) even though she was only in for two episodes. Although as of this writing this isn't a problem as the teams are switched back.
• The first episode listed who crossed at what place. This is unnecessary and trivial.
• The dark "WIN"s and "OUT"s have white text.

I think if this is how an elimination table should be, then at least switch the Total Drama Island and Total Drama Action ones to this style. Great Pikmin Fan (TD) (Talk) 00:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your input, but I feel you're protesting the very purpose of the reformat. Yes, it's different. However, this style is intended to be a replacement for those first two, adding more clarity, visibility, and simplicity to the tables.

• That might be a valid point, although I don't see a better way to do this. "LOSE" (and the color) is for all players tied for last place, which includes teammates. If it changes in the way you're proposing, then once the teams are dissolved, then the tan background will either apply only to the second-place player or to everyone not tied for last.
• Yes. "LOW" has been changed to gainsboro. Yellow was needed for Team Victory, as almost the entire table needed to be lightened. Rather than use the same color for both a team and the low-ranked player, I thought it prudent to use something else.
• While Izzy and Sierra did switch early on, they were still assigned to the teams originally shown. No, it's not necessary, but it's there for clarity. You may note that the column reads "Current Team", showing which team they are currently on. This, like the background colors of any other cell, is only used to help communicate information. It's not a replacement for the footnote; it's a supplement.
• The contestants' rankings are only shown because that was how teams were determined. It allows you to (mostly) sort the table by original team makeup.
• Yes. The text on the dark red and green colors has been changed to white. This was for readability only, as you can see that the background colors have not been changed. I, and many others, had a lot of difficulty distinguishing between the two; I can only imagine someone who's colorblind trying to read it.

The intent is to, once this format has been adequately perfected, replace the other two with this new style. Again, your input is greatly appreciated. Twentydragon (talk) 02:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the input twenty. (98.231.218.47 (talk) 23:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC))

I need help maintaining it. Every time I look at it, someone else has come in and taken a wrecking ball to the thing. I cannot keep up with this. In addition, for everyone, before you go ahead and make big new changes to the table, please discuss them here! Twentydragon (talk) 07:26, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I have had a ton of experience in maintaining the Total Drama articles... and it is reallllly annoying- in the past and as I can see, currently too! I will be in contact with an administrator soon to block the page from IP addresses. Any IP who wants to contribute in a productive way can come to the talk page and suggest ideas, which we can later put up. And on the team issue with the second place team... why not give them the "HIGH" ranking? TDI19 (talk) 23:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. "HIGH", as it was used before, was the direct opposite of "LOW", meaning that while the contestant in question was still on the losing team, their name was the first one called. Using "HIGH" in a different meaning alongside "LOW" may just lead to confusion.

At any rate, I've also gone ahead and reverted the table back to our last-discussed version of the colors and undone all vandalism and fallacious edits in one fell swoop. I'm posting this table here as well so that we can further discuss what might need changing. Twentydragon (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Here is the current version of the table. If you have changes you want to make, please discuss them here before you go off and edit it up. Also, don't forget to read this whole section; it's come a long way: Twentydragon (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Place	Name	Current Team	Ep 12	Ep 2	Ep 3	Ep 4	Ep 53	Ep 64	Ep 7	Ep 8
—	Alejandro	Chris	6	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN
—	Cody	Amazon	10-11	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN
—	Courtney	Amazon	13-14	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN
—	DJ	Victory	2	LOW	LOW	LOW	IN	IN	LOW
—	Gwen	Amazon	13-14	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN
—	Heather	Amazon	12	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN
—	Izzy1	Chris	15-16	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN
—	Lindsay	Victory	4	LOSE	LOSE	LOSE	IN	IN	LOSE
—	Noah	Chris	8	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN
—	Owen	Chris	9	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN
—	Sierra1	Amazon	10-11	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN
—	Tyler	Chris	7	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN
13	LeShawna	Victory	3	LOSE	LOSE	LOSE	IN	IN	OUT
14	Bridgette	Victory	5	LOSE	LOSE	OUT
15	Harold	Victory	1	LOSE	WD
16	Ezekiel	Victory	15-16	OUT
17	Duncan	None	WD

The following have been summarized and condensed to save page space:

¹ Switched teams. // ² Individual challenge. // ³ Reward challenge. // ⁴ Aftermath episode.

  Team Amazon. //   Team Chris. //   Team Victory. //   No team.

  Direct win. //   Indirect win (someone else won it for the team). //   Did not win, did not lose.

  Last place but still in. //   Last place, last called. //   Voted out. //   Withdrew.

Twentydragon (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

THREE THINGS! I think that the "current team" column should be deleted at the end of the season. I think that Team Victory's color should be made a darker, golden color, so we can then bring yellow back for the bottom 2 member. Lastly, to solve the three team crisis we can... (a) mark the losing team as "LOW" but with a different color or (b) mark them as IN (-) and the second place team as IN (+) as has been done with Top Chef! Thanks! TDI19 (talk) 02:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

The heading may need to be changed from current team, but the team column needs to remain. We cannot rely solely on colour to indicate team assignments. —C.Fred (talk) 02:57, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

There is one problem with using gold ( ) for Team Victory: that color has been set aside for the winner of the season. Granted it could still be used, but even in the show, Team Victory's assigned color has been yellow, not gold. As far as the wording used, I advise against using "LOW" for more than simply indicating an almost-elimination. We want to avoid relying on colors alone to indicate certain information, like the difference between a loss and a near-elimination. Twentydragon (talk) 04:34, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Check out the elimination table colors in Design Star and Shear Genius. They are very clean and easy to read- I think something similar to them should be done with TDWT, TDA, and TDI, because, let's face it, they all need a re-do. TDI19 (talk) 00:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Not bad, though I'd advise against using similar colors with similar words like they do. Hmm, lemme try something... Twentydragon (talk) 06:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Let's Simplify

Okay, we're once again using way too many colors on the article's table. "Voted off" and simply "eliminated" should not be separate; neither should "last one safe" and "almost eliminated". In fact, gold and silver for the winner and runner-up are pretty much unneeded as well. Additionally, whatever happened to discussing big changes to the table before making them? Twentydragon (talk) 14:49, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Blue-Red Layout

Place	Name	Current Team	Ep 12	Ep 2	Ep 3	Ep 4	Ep 53	Ep 64	Ep 7	Ep 8
—	Alejandro	Chris	6	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN	IN
—	Cody	Amazon	10-11	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN	LOSE
—	Courtney	Amazon	13-14	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN	LOSE
—	DJ	Victory	1-3	LOW	LOW	LOW	IN	IN	LOW	WIN
—	Gwen	Amazon	13-14	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN	LOSE
—	Heather	Amazon	12	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN	LOW
—	Izzy1	Chris	15-16	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN	IN
—	Lindsay	Victory	4	LOSE	LOSE	LOSE	IN	IN	LOSE	WIN
—	Noah	Chris	8	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN	IN
—	Owen	Chris	9	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN	IN
—	Sierra1	Amazon	10-11	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN	LOSE
—	Tyler	Chris	7	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN	IN
13	LeShawna	Victory	1-3	LOSE	LOSE	LOSE	IN	IN	OUT
14	Bridgette	Victory	5	LOSE	LOSE	OUT
15	Harold	Victory	1-3	LOSE	WD
16	Ezekiel	Victory	15-16	OUT
17	Duncan	None	WD

¹ Switched teams. // ² Individual challenge. // ³ Reward challenge. // ⁴ Aftermath episode.

  Team Amazon. //   Team Chris. //   Team Victory. //   No team.

  Direct win. //   Indirect win (someone else won it for the team). //   Did not win, did not lose.

  Last place but still in. //   Last place, last called. //   Voted out. //   Withdrew.

What do you think? I was going for a clear distinction, with winning cells still blue-tinted and losing cells still red-tinted. Too pastel? Twentydragon (talk) 06:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I honestly love the pastel scheme- it is sooo much easier on the eye than our current theme. However, I think the blue and red is a little too bright... definitely better though... TDI19 (talk) 03:24, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The colors strike me as a bit team-biased, so I'll try again with green and either brown or purple, closer to the current layout. Twentydragon (talk) 03:39, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Green-Tan Layout

Place	Name	Current Team	Ep 12	Ep 2	Ep 3	Ep 4	Ep 53	Ep 64	Ep 7	Ep 83
—	Alejandro	Chris	6	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN	IN
—	Cody	Amazon	10-11	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN	LOSE
—	Courtney	Amazon	13-14	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN	LOSE
—	DJ	Victory	1-3	LOW	LOW	LOW	IN	IN	LOW	WIN
—	Gwen	Amazon	13-14	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN	LOSE
—	Heather	Amazon	12	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN	LOW
—	Izzy1	Chris	15-16	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN	IN
—	Lindsay	Victory	4	LOSE	LOSE	LOSE	IN	IN	LOSE	WIN
—	Noah	Chris	8	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN	IN
—	Owen	Chris	9	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN	IN
—	Sierra1	Amazon	10-11	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	WIN	LOSE
—	Tyler	Chris	7	IN	IN	WIN	LOSE	IN	IN	IN
13	LeShawna	Victory	1-3	LOSE	LOSE	LOSE	IN	IN	OUT
14	Bridgette	Victory	5	LOSE	LOSE	OUT
15	Harold	Victory	1-3	LOSE	WD
16	Ezekiel	Victory	15-16	OUT
17	Duncan	None	WD

¹ Switched teams. // ² Individual challenge. // ³ Reward challenge. // ⁴ Aftermath episode.

  Team Amazon. //   Team Chris. //   Team Victory. //   No team.

  Direct win. //   Indirect win (someone else won it for the team). //   Did not win, did not lose.

  Last place but still in. //   Last place, last called. //   Voted out. //   Withdrew.

I personally like this one better, but you may feel differently. If that's the case, please provide input here. Twentydragon (talk) 03:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

It's definitely lighter... but there is something about the tan that is really... kind of annoying (probably not the best way to put it, but...). Also, I think that episode 7 should be moved to episode 6 because that is what it is on the official map on CN, and the aftermaths are online episodes that are labeled separately (i.e., Aftermath 1). TDI19 (talk) 21:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Hot Color-Cold Color Layout

I think that, on the elimination table, that the team that wins should be in cold colors such as:                         or in some cases (i guess)   And that the losing team and eliminations should have warm colors such as:                         and for the team in second I think it should be neutral colors such as:           So I'd think the elimination table should look like this:

Place	Singer	Current Team	Ep 12	Ep 2	Ep 3	Ep 4	Ep 53	Ep 7	Ep 83
TBA	Alejandro	Chris	4-6	IN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	IN
TBA	Cody	Amazon	10-12	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN
TBA	Courtney	Amazon	13-14	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN
TBA	DJ	Victory	1-3	LOW	LOW4	LOW	IN	LOW	WIN
TBA	Gwen	Amazon	13-14	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN
TBA	Heather	Amazon	10-12	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	WIN	LOW5
TBA	Izzy1	Chris	15-16	IN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	IN
TBA	Lindsay	Victory	4-6	IN	IN	IN	IN	IN	WIN
TBA	Noah	Chris	8-9	IN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	IN
TBA	Owen	Chris	8-9	IN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	IN
TBA	Sierra1	Amazon	10-12	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN
TBA	Tyler	Chris	7	IN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	IN
13	LeShawna	Victory	1-3	IN	IN	IN	IN	OUT
14	Bridgette	Victory	4-6	IN	IN	OUT
15	Harold	Victory	1-3	IN	QUIT4
16	Ezekiel	Victory	15-16	OUT
17	Duncan	None	QUIT

or like this (I updated it):

Place	Singer	Episodes
		1In	2	3	4	5Re	7	8Re	9	10Re	11	13	14Re	15	16	17Re	19	20
TBA	Alejandro	6	IN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	IN
TBA	Cody	11	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	WIN	IN	IN	IN	IN
TBA	Heather	12	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	WIN	LOW	WIN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	WIN	IN	IN	LOW	IN
TBA	Sierra*	10	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	WIN	IN	IN	LOW	WINL
5	Duncan	QUIT	Returns in Episode 13									IN	LOW	LOW	WIN	WIN	WIN	IN
6-7	Blaineley	Debuts in Episode 19															IN	OUT
	Courtney	14	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	WIN	LOW	LOW	WIN
8	Owen	9	IN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	OUT
9	Gwen	13	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	WIN	OUT
10	Tyler	7	IN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	IN	IN	OUT
11	Noah	8	IN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	IN	IN	WIN	WIN	OUT
12	DJ	2	LOW	LOW	LOW	IN	LOW	WIN	LOW	WIN	OUT
13	Izzy*	15	IN	IN	WIN	IN	IN	IN	IN	WIN	LEFT
14	Lindsay	4	IN	IN	IN	IN	IN	WIN	OUT
15	LeShawna	3	IN	IN	IN	IN	OUT
16	Bridgette	5	IN	IN	OUT
17	Harold	1	IN	QUIT
18	Ezekiel	16E	OUT