Talk:Tortuguero (Maya site)

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Inscriptions about 2012.

Only one stela is known about, that depicts the end of the 13th baktun in 2012.10 It is Monument 6 from Tortuguero. Grube, Martin and Zender have stated 11 that it refers to “the end of the 13th b’ahktun which we will see in the year 2012” and as to what will happen, they say, “…utom, “it will happen” (O4) followed by something that we cannot read (P4) and he “will descend” yem (O5). The last glyph begins with ta followed by something. However, this is not the end of the world.”

This happy interpretation is supported by Marcus Eberl and Christian Prager 12 : “The events associated with this Baktun end are partially eroded; yet, they involve the “coming down” of B’olon ’Ok. The same verb is used as part of dedication events and seems to have had not a destructive – as might be expected from B’olon Yokte’ K’uh – but a positive connotation.”

Gillespie and Joyce 13 and also Houston and Stuart 14 have concurred that the inscription on Monument 6 concerns the god(s) Bolon yokte K’uh - specifically “…a calendrical event in the early 21st century AD, at which time, apparently, the god may 'descend'.” Stuart has recently given a more complete translation: “"The Thirteenth Bak'tun" will be finished (on) Four Ahaw, the Third of K'ank'in. ? will occur. (It will be) the descent(?) of the Nine Support (?) God(s) to the ?." 15 Gronemeyer gives an epigraphic analysis and calendrical reconstruction of Monument 6 in his Master’s thesis, 16 along with excellent drawings.
Notes:

• 10. ^ Schele, Linda; David Freidel (1990), p. 446. Two of the glyphs are illustrated.
• 11. Grube, Nikolai; Simon Martin; Martin Zender (2002). (pp. 112-113) Part of the monument is illustrated.
• 12. Eberl, Markus: Christian Prager (2005) (pp.4-5)
• 13. Gillespie, S. D.; R. A. Joyce (1998) (p.291)
• 14. Houston, Stephen; David Stuart (1996) (p.301)
• 15. University of Texas Mesoamerica Center Discussion Board
• 16. Gronemeyer, Sven (2004) (pp. 136-160). The right wing and t-bar of the monument are beautifully illustrated.

While I'm not necessarily concerned about the accuracy of the information, the text, formatting and notes raises some questions as to the text's original source, as it doesn't appear to have been written expressly for the wikipedia article. Has it been taken from somewhere else, or was it written by the contributor for some other purpose initially, or...? Would appreciate it if the contributing editor who added it can please clarify. Otherwise, the given sources cld be used later to rewrite as something more in line with wikipedia's style and conventions. Regards, --cjllw ʘ TALK 01:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

"only known inscription"

The statement is factually inaccurate. A second inscription allegedly referring to the date at Camalcalco, Mexico has been widely reported.

Another Wikipedia article on Camalcalco mentions the claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.108.185 (talk) 18:25, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

The IP above is right that the recently published brick from Comalcalco makes "only" wrong in this context. However, I didn't turn up any reliable sources in a quick web search. Does anyone have a link or a cite to the original INAH announcement? Eluchil404 (talk) 06:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)