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Tonsillolith or Tonsil Stone?editCryptic tonsillitiseditSmall white or tan foul smelling balls found in tonsils. These form in many pockets of which are called crypts located in the tonsil on ether side of the tonsils. The most probably make up are bacteria and white blood cells, the inner lining of the tonsils. The patient typically notices something like a stuck piece of food or something hard within the back of their mouth. If that is the case then the stone is probably protruding from a crypt. Typically these will self extract and will be digested by the patient. To ease the irritation you can take a flashlight and a cotton tipped stick and "pop" out the tonsillolith by forcing from the side like popping a pimple. Some may be behind areas not easily accessable depending how your parents designed your tonsil. You can design a paperclip bend banded to a pen so it can enter the crypts or around corners. Over time, you will be able to control the gag reflex. Please be gentle and if there is bleeding, stop immediately and try another time. Another option is to have a tonsillectomy which is a complete removal of the tonsils. This will solve the problem completely. I would only considered this if it were a very serious issue, damaging your well being. Otherwise, it can just be a daily routine like brushing your teeth. This information comes from hours of studying the internet and personal experience. Remember, we are not dying from tonsilloliths, we are suffering with it.
Possible alternative treatmenteditIn order to get rid of or at least decrease the production of the Tonsilloliths it is important to do a NASAL WASH with saltwater each time before you brush your teeth ( and tongue !).
Sniff the liquid up your nose, one nostril at a time and allow the fluid to run out of your mouth Then brush your teeth and tongue with toothpaste as usual. After a few days the Tonsilloliths will start to come loose and a few days later their production will become less and less. Many doctors tell their patients to gargle with salt water in order to get rid of the Tonsilloliths. But gargling is simply not enough. You have to do the Nasal Wash with the saltwater aswell. At least once or twice a day. I wouldn't suggest snorting salt water- Whatever the reason. I was wondering how much research has been done as to the appearance as a result of bad oral hygiene. I have experienced these (a lot of them) only during times when I didn't brush my teeth for disgustingly long periods of time. When I brush my teeth daily, they don't appear, ever. So, instead of them causing halitosis, I think it's the plain and simple fact that people who get them don't brush their teeth. If anyone out there has had them occur even after brushing their teeth at least 3 times a day, then fine. But it is worth doing research about it. Unfortunately, from what I've seen, nobody so far has bothered to even make the connection. It's like their cause was conjured up with some sort of backwards scientific method. I'm a tad baffled. 75.142.246.93 (talk) 01:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC) Kork -I doubt you brush your tonsils. Anyway, I get them and I brush and floss every day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.59.87.248 (talk) 14:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC) Every physical symptom has a mental emotional cause. Halitosis can be related to thinking and speaking critical things about others habitually. Hestiabhn (talk) 19:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC) Dental Water JeteditI just aquired an Interplak dental water jet from W**mart to try out the forced flush method. You must buy the adjustable one, like Interplak model WJ6RW, the other ones are to powerful and will injure your tonsils bad. With the water jet turned almost to its lowest, it is pretty gentle. Mix in a salty water solution or mouthwash or clean water (make sure when you are done you run 1 tank to rinse the system with warm regular water). You should get a rubber tipped tip or use the regular tip. If you are not use to swabbing your tonsils with a cotton tipped stick, you may get a gag reflex, so turn the water even lower and bear with it. The trick is to find the crypts and almost put the tip inside them. An explosion of tonsil stones will be flushed out of your most trouble-some crypts. I guess with the salty water solution you can try the nose flush like the above friend said. Good luck, and remember...we are not dying from tonsilloliths, we are living with them. Update: I have been using it everyday just before bed for a few weeks now since the first initial flush(quite the purge). Well almost everyday, I went away for a weekend, and when I came back I found one tiny bugger. Other than that, I havent seen one yet. Yes its a pain to do it everyday, but you are going to have to do it anyway when you get that annoying itch and stinky breath; I have no itch anymore and NO STINKY breath. The reason I purchased it was cause I was fed up with cotton swabs and gagging trying to get the real tricky ones. I also had a chronic low level sore throat for almost 2 weeks before this (btw chronic means to last long). My throat feels better now when I wake up (even though I was on meds, this helped I know). A lot of research I did concludes that tonsilloliths can contribute to chronic low level sore throats. Try this salt water jet before cutting out your tonsils.
I bought a waterpik and like this person I found that the pulsating jet of water is very efficient at cleaning out the tonsils. I can see the efficacy of this water action by what is flushed out into the sink: tiny bits of food, discoloured vicosities and other debris. I know this material is coming out of my tonsils and not from my teeth or the surface of my tongue because I flush my tonsils AFTER flossing, brushing and irrigating my teeth. After months of use, gradually becoming accustomed to the gag reflex and desensitized to the water jet hitting the soft tonsils, I find that I can irrigate my tonsils quite comfortably. By doing this extra step every night, about 30 seconds for each tonsil, I haven't had a tonsil stone in over a year. Further update: After I quit drinking milk all together, I have found a massive reduction in the amount of stones. I clean them about 1.5 times a month (averaged out), mostly I just catch that disgusting scent of the stones and I know its time to flush. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.60.40.51 (talk) 03:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC) I've also noticed a large personal correlation between milk/dairy product consumption and the formation of stones. It seems that since mucus is part of the stone formula, food products that increase nasal/throat mucus production (i.e. dairy) seem to contribute to stone formation. 137.244.215.61 (talk) 18:08, 11 March 2009 (UTC) It took me years to realize that the only time I ever get tonsil stones is when I drink milk. Steamed milk from coffee drinks is the worst offender. As long as I stick to black coffee or dairy substitutes like almond milk, I have no problem whatsoever. Alloy1028 (talk) 14:36, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Baking sodaeditThis person living with tonsil stones has found gargling for a full minute with a half water/half baking soda solution very helpful in getting rid of the pesky little monsters. Make sure to gargle 'vigourously' and try to let the water get as far back toward your tonsils as you can. This works especially well on stubborn stones that stay in place for several days, but I imagine it also helps prevent the formation of new stones. Be patient, though: often a set-in stone will need a day or two after gargling to fall out. Good luck! |
Images and outside links
editHere is an excellent image of a tonsillolith. It is Korean and I am not sure how the copy right rules work but I feel it would be good if somebody could include it (or other images) in the main article.
Here is what I feel is the best image:
http://portal.page1.co.kr/content_images/weekly_0603_m.gif
Here is the parent page:
http://health.chol.com/weekreport/weekreport_v.aspx?srno=104
Also, this site indicates that a tonsillolith either does, or can become calcified:
http://www.ijri.org/articles/archives/20011101/images03.htm
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Alternate treatment 2editI clean my own tonsils with an extended toothpick BEFORE they calcify into stones. During this time they are actually fairly soft, like tooth plaque. I can very well prevent the accumulated material from building up to levels mentioned in this article. I am not sure whether to recommend a process such as this though. One must have a VERY steady hand to prevent injury, to expose the tonsils in the mouth requires one to not breath at all, and excessive pressure on the tonsils with such devices may cause nausea.
Alternate treatment 3editSome people may find it possible to bend their tongue around enough to touch their tonsils. I can get a massaging action going that eventually dislodges the tonsillolith. I now do this sporadically out of habit (when I am concentrating intensely, for example), which prevents the tonsillolith from forming to a significant size in the first place (just try not to show your ugly face while your doing it). Curiously though, tonsilloliths only ever seem to form on my right tonsil...
Enigma 0Z 21:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC) writes: Are you sure you're not me? I have the same ability... and they always form on my right tonsil! But it seems for me that it takes a couple of days working at it before I can really get the stone out. Just adding my own observations to the pool: 1. I can move both of my tonsils around quite a bit, but I can move my right more 2. I usually don't get any in my left tonsil (either that or they're just too big to remove) 3. I usually get them in my right tonsil 4. It seems that when I do get one in my left, it requires more effort to remove. I'm probably going to see an ENT soon about these, so if I get any new information, I'll post it up. Alternate Treatment 4editRegarding the origin of stones, I have a few interesting observations. I usually try to get rid of them before they calcify into anything large as discussed here, using an extending toothpick as described above. Observation 1: my mother, sister, and I all experience stones, and none of my close friends (that i feel comfortable discussing this with) do. This poses the question, is it genetic? Observation 2: The stones always seem to 'appear' in the deeper crypts, as though they are forming inside the tonsils. I check and wash/cleanse every day, and somehow the little buggers re-appear out of the blue. My diet changes often (i'm in college...) so I haven't noticed a correlation between certain foods and their production. Observation 3: My left tonsil seems to produce twice as many...and I only ever find 'big ones' on the left. Research shows much of this occurance, with people experiencing stones usually on just the one side. I'm not sure what this may mean....any comments?
Flexing the ThroateditThe article states that "another remedy for removing them, without stimulating the gag reflex,(in most people) is to simply flex the throat, this causes the tonsils to tense up and will often result in the tonsil stone popping out." Could someone please describe what constitutes "simply flexing the throat"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taxee (talk • contribs) 21:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC) What it iseditYou need to open up the back as wide as possible by moving the jaw to it's widest and the tongue down as far as you can and spreading it out and then moving your head around —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.151.173.229 (talk) 08:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC) Dietary ConsiderationseditAs part of a weight loss regime I cut grains out of my diet and my tonsil stones stopped entirely. Now the only grain I eat is brown rice and I can go as long as I want without a tonsil stone but as soon as I cave in and have some pasta, bread, cookies, etc. a new stone forms within days. If you think about flour of any type it's the perfect substance to form into a paste that can not only get into a tiny crevice but also stay there and attract other substances to stick to it which is how these horrible stank social-life ruining things come to be. I believe the reason brown rice doesn't contribute to stones is because of it still having the bran intact like a thin shell over the grain. This shell keeps the grain relatively intact as I chew and swallow and so it does not find its way into a crack in the surface of my tonsils. I believe that white rice would break down quickly upon exposure to saliva and turn into a paste just like flour does. I have not experimented yet but I think probably eating corn meal (Fritos, cornbread, tortillas, etc.) also would lead to the development of a tonsil stone in those of us who have the tendency (the tendency being crevices in our tonsils). It's pretty hard to avoid processed grains but if you want to be free of tonsil stones it's certainly worth a try. Flour, whole grain or not, is not good for you anyway no matter what the USDA tries to tell you.Etsybad 23:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC) |
Merge proposal
edit- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
The result was merge Cryptic tonsillitis into this article. -- David Ruben Talk 12:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I propose merging/deleting what little additional information is currently in Cryptic tonsillitis to this tonsillolith article. The term "Cryptic tonsillitis" has just 4 hits at PubMed and none at Diseases Database (see search), it is therefore not a term that is generally recognised nor used. Any specific details on the inflammation & infection of teh tonsils should then be under tonsillitis article. David Ruben Talk 12:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- As per WP:Merge#Proposing a merger that where "silence (at least 10 days), proceed with the merger". I have proceeded to merge. I found nothing in Cryptic tonsillitis not already in this article and so have switched it to be a redirect. David Ruben Talk 12:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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Discussion of the addition of adviceeditFurther instructions on how to clean and remove tonsil stones is something I would like to see added to Wikipedia. I wrote the following which I thought with some additional work people would at least find helpful. These instructions were deemed non neutral and inappropriate by an editor and dropped. I see these instructions as being little different from the page on tooth brushing. I don't have any sources other than tips and bits of information I found here and there on the net. Frankly, there does not seem to be much information available. How do you clean tonsils? This is one way. Instead of simply deleting perhaps other readers and the editor who found this "wholey inappropriate" could help make this information better, and eventually it could be included in the main article. I have tried to make it more NPOV. I don't know where to verify it other than my own experience. Help. This is well meant advice, I wish knew how to do this years ago, and it belongs in the public domain. Before this is dropped again I would like to at least see a straw poll on whether to include it or not.
How to clean your tonsils & what equipment you need.
70.73.152.247 05:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Wikipedia is not self-help. Medical advice is best given by qualified medical professionals, not secondhand from patients. Litigation dangers and all that.--72.34.133.250 (talk) 22:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
UK sources?edit
Colorseditany info out there on different colors? either broccoli stains it or i need to make an appointment. 68.78.26.171 15:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC) Connections with other conditions?editDoes anyone know if there are any links between this and other conditions such as allergies, skin disorders (acne), swollen glands, white tongue, etc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.17.45.119 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 6 June 2007
--I think there is definitely a connection for me between the tonsil stone's appearance and an allergic reaction to something. I am allergic to wheat and when I eat more, I get more stones. I also notice I get them more when other people around me are sick. I think they are my lymphatic system cleaning out bacteria and such from my body. I actually feel healthier after getting them, as if my body is finally rid of something putrid. I massage my lymph nodes in my neck and notice more being expelled. 67.189.181.52 (talk) 20:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)sage g. 26 Dec 2009 note risk of injuryeditHi, I picked my tonsils with a small ear-stick, and after a few months, unfortunately, injured my tonsil. since then - my tonsil bleeds almost each time I have a Tonsillolith ! So I would advice on adding, in the suggestion part of the article - to be VERY careful when picking the tonsils... Talgalili 21:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC) I was cleaning my stones out (with my finger not the best idea) and something went pop in my tonsils and blood was gushing. After the fact my tonsil had become infected took a long time to heal but now I have lots of scar tissue on my tonsil and now I get a tone of stones just out of the one side that I had the issue with I have been to a couple of doctors and my dentist and they wanted to remove my tonsils. I have not done that yet due to the fact that my tonsil has healed but with issues I am willing to live with.
Relieve the foreign-object feelingeditI noticed that drinking hot drinks (especially coffee) can make the foreign-object-in-my-throat feeling go away almost instantly for a long period of time. My guess is that heat causes the tonsil to become less sensitive to stimuli--193.188.115.248 08:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
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editI lack the time or knowledge to fix the references for this article, however two of the footnotes are listed as 4, and the link from [5] in the article seems to point to the third footnote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.55.100 (talk) 01:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
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I am the original author of the text corresponding to [5] (beginning from "Oral irrigators are also simple yet effective", the bit that says people can remove tonsil stones with the tip of the tongue is not mine). My contribution came from my personal and highly successful experience with using irrigators for tonsil stone removal for over 10 years. The point is, that text never came from WebMD.com as the citation purports. This contravenes Wikipedia's rules and it has been suggested that that section be removed due to lack of citations and because this is not Yahoo Answers. When I contributed that information I was not aware of the rules and supplied the information with the best of intentions, hoping to help others. I suspect someone found my contribution useful and noticed it had not been cited so they added a reference to WebMD.com, which seems legit enough, to make it look like it come from somewhere so as to deter people from questioning and ultimately deleting it. I believe most Wikipedia 'consumers' never even bother to check the references. Furthermore, many references point to obsolete web pages or web pages that were edited afterwards hence making it impossible to revisit the referenced material. Anyway, I just thought I'd clear this, and the fact that that [5] is not a valid reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.148.160.220 (talk) 05:57, 9 June 2018 (UTC) Treatment with ear syringe bulb, and other thoughtseditFor those of you who don't have access to a WaterPik, you can irrigate your tonsils with a rubber ear syringe bulb purchased from your local pharmacy (like this - http://img.alibaba.com/photo/10881884/Ear_Syringe_Ball.jpg) I had tried using one of these several times over the past few weeks with little success, but last night I must have found the perfect angle, flushing out a half dozen or more match-head sized nuggets - all from my right tonsil. When I woke up this morning I had almost no hint of my usual morning breath, although this could just be coincidence. Another thing... I find that if I loosely pinch my nostrils shut and then gently force air through my nose in quick bursts (not using my lungs but rather by flexing my throat/palate) I can often smell a fairly rank sulfurous odour, which I presume indicates the presence of tonsilloliths. I guess this works because it's forcing air from the stone-zone directly up and over the smell receptors. However, after last night's efforts there is no smell at all when I do this. WIN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirgarence (talk • contribs) 03:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC) I've been suffering with tonsillolith for 10 yrs and only recently found out what it is. My doctor says to leave my tonsils alone because I am supposedly causing reinfection. I have to clear my tonsils out every two weeks with my finger(clean). It seems the only thing that clears it out fully. But 1 or 2 days later, I become very lethargic as if I have a viral infection. Does anyone else seem to suffer the same? Could it be that pushing out the 'cack' stops the tonsils ability to fight bugs for a short period of time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.248.199 (talk) 21:39, 10 October 2010 (UTC) |
Self treatment time to remove?
editThe self-treatment section is wholy without citations, let alone from reliable sources per WP:MEDRS. It has been tagged since May 2008, so if suitable sources not found soon, then per WP:NOT#HOWTO and WP:MADEUP (ie WP:OR) I think section should be deleted. David Ruben Talk 20:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I disagree strongly with removing the section. I found it very useful when researching what exactly my problem was, because my ENT and family doctors have never mentioned them as a source of bad breath. You obviously have too much time on your hands to be attempting to police articles and removing good information that may not be obvious, but becomes apparent as it is read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.36.138 (talk) 06:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Removing this section would obviously be in accordance with Wikipedia's rules, but when you look up "tonsil stones" in Google this is the first page that comes up and quite frankly I found the information within rather useful. I think keeping this section will help many readers identify and possibly solve their tonsil stone problems. In my experience most doctors don't even know anything about tonsil stones and just tell you to buy an OTC oral rinse (I feel most doctors are quacks to be fair), and so I think removing this section would be unreasonably pedantic and would do more harm than good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feidaman (talk • contribs) 14:16, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
This is Wikipedia, not Yahoo Answers. If there are no citations it is removed. xnamkcor (talk) 01:01, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
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Learn to use your tongue to massage the stones outeditEver since I first understood what tonsil stones were, I developed the habit of management by massaging my tonsils with my tongue, what seems to be most effective is applying presssure from the bottom of the tonsils upwards - this seems to help dislodge the deeeper stones. In my personal experience the majority of my stones seem to develop during a throat infection and shortly emerge just after recovery. In my case, I think my breath is largely affected by the accumulation of tonsil stones. Because I regularly brush the deep end of my tongue, my gag reflex urge is not that strong which allows me to press my tonsils with the back end of my toothbrush. This seems to help break up larger impacted stones into smaller pieces which then come out easier by simply flexing my throat (swallowing) or continued massaging with my tongue. I agree that using a waterpik device is probably the easiest way to manage tonsil stones using the lowest presssure setting - the goal is irrigation to dislodge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.155.178 (talk) 22:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC) May need to just disturb the stoneeditI had a stone for years thinking it was just a sesame seed lodged in my tonsil because I didn't see it all the time. Recently while I was sick, my tonsils swelled as per normal and I noticed it again. This time I looked it up and found what it was. My solution was to poke at it with a long club sandwich stick. Once I had managed to touch it, a simple gargle for a few seconds with regular water managed to knock it out. Phoenix (talk) 05:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC) Cutting out dairy productseditCutting out dairy products from the diet can cure some people (although it can take up to several months). Does this mean that consuming non-dairy milks and their products such rice or soy milk is safe for tonsilloith patients? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.96.226.25 (talk) 00:58, 29 March 2010 (UTC) Unless a source can be cited, I feel that the statement about dairy products should be removed. If there is evidence to support this, then I have no problem at all with it being included; otherwise it is simply an opinion, and should not be presented as fact. 74.131.51.34 (talk) 02:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC) Hydrogen PeroxideeditI use Hydrogen Peroxide, purchased from local pharmacy, diluted as directed as a mouth wash/gargle. Use twice a day after brushing and flossing and seems to keep the little blighters at bay. If I miss a day they begin to come back so it does work. This was recomended by my ENT surgeon. He did not recommend a mouth wash containing alcohol (most mouth washes do I think) as it dries out the mouth/throat which may make things worse. Hope that helps somebody. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.133.0.13 (talk) 13:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC) ---Definitely related to dairy products--- I used to have tonsil stones all the times,and they were huge! I tried everything but they kept coming back. When I finally gave up eating cheese and drinking milk, they are now disappearing. Unfortunately I couldn't resist a bowl of cornflakes the other day, and sure enough the following couple of days I got the small stones again. There is a definite link here. No doubts for me!. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.223.94 (talk) 05:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC) |
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In addition to a metalic taste... The taste of peardrops(sweets) The smell of gloss paint 82.14.70.149 (talk) 11:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Useful Oral irrigator
editI'm not sure exactly where to put this as one clearly can't put such a link in an encyclopaedia, but this manually pumped oral irrigator was perfect for blasting out the horrible things. (In fact, they have have stopped forming now - perhaps it cleared whatever enabled nucleation?) http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000YER2LM Cambion (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I suffered from seasonal bouts of pharyngitis (strep throat) every winter for 20 years. I usually had a fever for a week, and was prescribed antibiotics each year. When I was 28 I felt one of these bouts coming on, and I managed to get a view of my own tonsils using mirrors. I saw these white things that I recognized as the things I coughed up when the "strep throat" was abating, and decided to give them a bath with iodine on a swab. The next day I coughed them out. That was 30 years ago, and I've not had a serious illness since. These things can kill you!
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Please create the page tonsillolithaiasis and link it to this page. TY. 188.30.204.87 (talk) 23:18, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- That doesn't appear to be a word? Googling it gets zero responses. Stickee (talk) 02:34, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- Stickee, sorry, it should be tonsillolithiasis not tonsillolithaiasis. It is a lesser used medical synonym for this condition. One of the references in the current article use the term in the title for example [1], as do a handful of other reliable scientific publications [2] 94.196.238.233 (talk) 05:24, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- Not done: - You are not required to use {{edit semi-protected}} template to initiate a discussion on the article's talk page. However, the page is no longer protected and open to be edited by any person. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 18:10, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- Anupmehra, sorry I used the wrong thing. I cannot make new pages, this is why I asked if someone would create tonsillolithiasis and link it here. 92.41.80.253 (talk) 05:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
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