Talk:The Evil Dead/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cirt (talk · contribs) 02:39, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I will review this article. — Cirt (talk) 02:39, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of May 4, 2013, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Could use some improvements here:

1. Writing style is a bit lacking.
2. Please file a request with WP:GOCE for copyediting. It doesn't matter if they don't get to it in time for this GA Review, just another helpful step in the quality improvement process.
3. Please post to talk pages of relevant WikiProjects, asking for help from copyeditors.
4. If you know of any other good copyeditors you can ask them on their user talk pages for help, if they haven't previously been involved with this article page.
5. Example: "The Evil Dead is a 1981 American horror film written and directed by Sam Raimi, and starring Bruce Campbell, Ellen Sandweiss, and Betsy Baker." Two "ands", indicates this sentence should be broken in two to avoid 2nd use of "and".
6. " After asking a wide variety of investors, Raimi secured $90,000 to produce The Evil Dead. The film was shot on location in a remote cabin located in Morristown, Tennessee; the filming process was very uncomfortable and difficult for the majority of the crew. " - another sentence that is too long and should be broken in two.

2. Factually accurate?: Sources could use a bit of formatting work:

1. Please go through and make sure citations are all formatted with information filling out fields from citation templates using WP:CIT.
2. Please make sure no cites are just a bare link and a title.
3. Please go through and make sure cites verify WP:V, and of course please review all cites for WP:RS standards.
4. Example http://www.cracked.com/article_19901_5-great-movie-scenes-made-possible-by-reckless-endangerment_p2.html is this the best WP:RS source for this article? Also, the cite lacks info other than a link? Publisher? Work? Accessdate?
5. Please check that all links still work and that they have accessdates.
6. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1823815&displaytype=printable - what is this site? Is this the best WP:RS source there can be for this info?
7. http://www.popmatters.com/pm/column/170551-books-of-the-dead-the-followers-and-clones-of-the-evil-dead/ Is this the best most reliable source that can be found for this info?
8. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21645 - not sure this is the best source for this info, could a better cite be found?

3. Broad in coverage?: Problems with thoroughness issues:

1. Background sect - this is all Production info. The "Background" sect header should be removed, this info should then all be moved into the top part of the Production sect.
2. Casting - could more info about casting be added to the Production sect, enough to perhaps justify its own subsection header?
3. Commercial release - what about some more info on home release? DVD? Bluray? VHS? Commentary and/or reception? Any special features used for these releases?

1. Started a home video subsection.

4. Neutral point of view?: NPOV issues:

1. Edits like this one are unfortunately adding POV wording with unformatted sources. "Perhaps the most creative and stylistically recognizable camera trick used " - according to whom? Is this the POV of the editor that added this info? Who is this attributable to?
2. Please add Rotten Tomatoes ratings and Metacritic ratings to the top of the sect for Early reception. See wording model on how to do this at Batman_begins#Reception.

5. Article stability? Stability issues:

1. Unfortunately, page has stability problems. Not sure if there are enough people reliably and actively watchlisting this page and noticing changes that degrade its quality.
2. Example this edit as noted above, that adds an unformatted cite with POV wording.
3. Another example this problem that was discussed on the talk page. Again, not sure if enough active editors are on top of this. This appears to be a pretty popular page with drive-by-changes from those that might not be improving its quality.
4. We'll try to give it some more time to see how stability plays out during this ongoing GA Review process.

6. Images?: Lots of images used, here are some comments about things to fix with them:

1. File:Evil dead ver1.jpg - please reformat this with more fair use rationale argumentation, like at model for File:Batman Begins Poster.jpg.
2. File:Sam Raimi by Gage Skidmore.jpg - checks out okay.
3. File:Ted Raimi by David Shankbone.jpg - no issues here.
4. File:COEN Brothers (cannesPH).jpg - no problems with this one.
5. File:RedfordTheatreMarquee.jpg - this one is good.
6. File:Stephen King, Comicon.jpg - this image checks out okay.
7. File:Bruce Campbell .jpg - kinda wish there was a better quality image for use here, but licensing is okay.

NOTE: Please respond, below, and please don't intersperse comments in between mine in this review, instead please comment below, after this review, below it. Thank you!

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — Cirt (talk) 20:23, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Update: Revisiting the page after 48 hours, unfortunately it appears that none of the above points have been responded to or addressed. If the GA Review is addressed, please respond and note it, back here at the GA Review subpage. Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 22:40, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry if it took a while to reply. igordebraga ≠ 05:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you please move your comments, below, here, instead of interspersed above? Please see the "NOTE:, above, in the GA Review, about that. — Cirt (talk) 00:52, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

OK. Fixed the lead stuff from A, reworked Cast/Development into Production (as well as adding actor names to the plot), changed the Cracked ref, expanded the poster rationale, changed the biased example above. Also put it on the GOCE, don't know if someone will help soon enough. But I didn't put that regarding the aggregators because most of the reviews used there are retroactive - after all, both RT and MC mostly use online texts. igordebraga ≠ 15:38, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks much better. :) Could you also post to talk pages of a few relevant WikiProjects asking for copyeditors? And also to user talk pages of a few editors who've demonstrated ability to improve articles to GA or FA in this topic area (film, horror, popular culture, etc.) ? — Cirt (talk) 15:42, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I saw the note at the Horror Wikiproject, and I can copyedit the article, if no one minds. :) Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 22:54, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes! Please do! Please keep us posted here, — Cirt (talk) 23:14, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Wonderful. It's been a while since I've seen the film, so I have a few plot-related questions:

• "Later, Cheryl becomes demonically possessed, and tells everyone that the demons will take them one by one"... As in the demons will kill them?
• When does Shelly get possessed? Is it after Cheryl is locked in the cellar?
• "Scotty, now demonically possessed, reanimates and tries to kill Ash" Did Scotty die before this?

Thank you! Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 00:19, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• Also, "The duo directed several low-budget Super 8 mm film projects together. Several of the films they worked on were comedies, including Clockwork and It's Murder!. " Are the several films mentioned the same as the Super 8mm film projects?

• Jumping in here as requested by the nom. I can confirm that Clockwork and It's Murder were all Super 8 mm film projects - all of Raimi's films were shot on Super 8 up until this point (including The Evil Dead), but the larger budget helped prevent the conversion problems they had with Within the Woods when they hit the problem of blowing it from 8 mm up to 35 mm. After the profits made from The Evil Dead they switched the industry standard to make it easier. Miyagawa (talk) 17:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Wow. :) Thank you! Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 23:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• "J.C. Maçek III of PopMatters said, "What is unquestionable is that the Raimis and their pals created a monster in The Evil Dead." Was the film's title italicised in the original text?

And except for the questions above, I'm done! It's a really interesting article. :) If I accidently cut out an important plot-related detail, please don't hesitate to fix it. :) Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 00:46, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

And  Done with copyediting! Sorry about all that indenting. :) I think this is a interesting and well-researched article (and I'm not a fan of the film for the record.). :) Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 23:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

GA review passed

Thanks very much to those above that helped out with copyediting, — Cirt (talk) 05:45, 18 May 2013 (UTC)