Talk:Tai Po Market

Flag station

User:Matthew hk had argued that "flag station" is "slang". Please refer to sources such as [1], [2] or [3], among others. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 07:08, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

kcrc is primary source. Please dig out old newspaper (also please provide Google ngram to prove "Tai Po Market flag station" is way common than "Tai Po Market railway station") that refer the railway station COMNONLY as "Tai Po Market Flag Station". Also, there is a WP:VP consensus regulated the name of railway and metro stations in wikipedia. Matthew hk (talk) 09:17, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, lede is the place to summarize the whole article. There is no place in the article to add the content regarding the railway station as flag station yet. Matthew hk (talk) 09:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

And there you are. ngram ZERO result for "Tai Po Market Flag Station". Matthew hk (talk) 09:22, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

From the story in the Post mentioned above, "The community of Tai Po Market had to be content with a temporary flag station until 1913 when the permanent station was erected on the site where the museum now stands. This station contributed much to the social and economic development of the district." The HKU paper, on the other hand, says "The British Section³ of KCR was completed and opened to the public on 1 October 1910, with 5 stations established along the main line from Kowloon, namely Yau Ma Tei, Sha Tin, Tai Po, Tai Po Market flag station and Fanling." If you can read Chinese characters you may have come across that name in Chinese-/Cantonese-language sources too. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 09:39, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

For instance, [4], [5], [6]. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 10:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Please don't post nonsense. The link does not prove the COMMON NAME of the station in ENGLISH (unless it is a RS written in English) . You can probably use the wording "a flag station which later became a permanent station" wording, but not "Tai Po Market flag station". Also, i don't repeat the point for the lede. Matthew hk (talk) 10:00, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Excuse me for asking this.., but who's being nonsense here? Admit your own fault and stop pretend that you are always right. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 10:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

This is English wikipedia.....There may be a flag station in Tai Po in 1910s. But there is ZERO English citation to tell the actual name of the station at that time. Note that flag station can have other name so that you need to provide the citation for the name at that time or provide alternative citation for the British English spelling of such 旗站. Matthew hk (talk) 10:15, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Have you taken a quick glance at the HKU paper? 203.145.94.111 (talk) 10:16, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

(Perhaps you may want to replace "the Tai Po Market flag station" to "the Tai Po Market flag station"? Or something like "the flag station named Tai Po Market"?) 203.145.94.111 (talk) 10:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

On a side note I am glad that you know "this is English Wikipedia" (presumably as opposed to Chinglish). So please try to express your thoughts in English, and make sure you are able to comprehend what other people put forward in English. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 10:25, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

We don't know the flag station is on the same place as Old Tai Po Market railway station or not , so that this Easter Egg WP:pipe is not appropriate. You can mention Tai Po Market has a flag station and then a permanent station, but not blended together. Matthew hk (talk) 10:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Supposedly you are trying to say "at the same place". That line is all about the time when the KCR-BS reached the area in 1910. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 10:28, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Would this edit be the answer to your concern? 203.145.94.111 (talk) 11:07, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

You can't just assume the flag station and the permeant station (now the Railway Museum) are location at the same place. Please provide reliable source. And don't Easter egg piping. I already said you can mention there is a flag station in Tai Po Market, and then there is a permanent station in lede in this article, but not east egg piping (as well as made up the name) as [[Old Tai Po Market station|Tai Po Market flag station]]. Actually, we don't even know when "Tai Wo Shi" was called Tai Po Market and the original Tai Po Market became Tai Po Old Market. Yes, probably the flag station never location in Tai Po Old Market, but can be 100/200/500 metre away from the site that the railway museum is located. Matthew hk (talk) 11:11, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

For the edit, Special:Diff/1055346970, seems better but i would say then the wording in Old Tai Po Market railway station § history may need to tune . KCRC official website you posted (despite it is primary source) uses flag station, and this article uses "flag station", but that article use stop. And then the same old concern that the wording should not suggest the flag station must be the same place as the permanent building. (It just the same old AL Chinese subject's logic training: 正確, 部分正確, 錯誤, 無從判斷) Matthew hk (talk) 11:21, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

I guess it is getting too difficult for a dialogue as such to go on. I could hardly comprehend what you are trying to talk about. Let's take a break so that you may reorganise what you've said. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 11:25, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Dude...then why posting Chinese source to prove your point? Matthew hk (talk) 10:32, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Who are you talking to? ("Dude" is probably too informal for this setting.) 203.145.94.111 (talk) 11:07, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

This account is interesting too.[7] 203.145.94.111 (talk) 10:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, it is synthesis of source to assume the flag station is located on the same place as the Old Tai Po Market Station. synthesis of source is consider WP:OR and not allowed in wikipedia. Matthew hk (talk) 10:07, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

My two cents is that you'd better organise your thoughts before you comment. And make sure you are able to understand what other people have put forward. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 10:10, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

No where hongkongmaper.org is a WP:RS. It is a company that reprint map , and the blog article is re-published an article by someone called 凱文, but is 凱文 a journalist or academic? Please read WP:RS before posting anything you found in the web. Matthew hk (talk) 10:21, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

If you read between the lines you'd have been able to tell this wasn't meant to be an RS but something shared for the sake of facilitating discussion. The RSs were submitted above. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 10:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

My very honest suggestion is that if you got much difficulty do seek necessary assistance. Effective communication is important here and in the case of the discussion here it's a real matter of concern. No offence. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 10:33, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

On another side note, it could be interesting if a separate Wikipedia version in Hong Kong Chinglish is to be kick-started, like the Pidgin version of BBC News online. But for those who don't understand that language it would be difficult to take part. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 11:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Tai Po Hui Market

User:Matthew hk had asked for sources for the name of this public facility. Here it is, if that were indeed ever needed.[8][9][10][11] If such illogical, disruptive behaviour continues administrators' intervention should be needed. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 10:05, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I just meant to add the English name which was missing. It was weird that only the Cantonese name was included. I got no idea what Matthew hk was asking for. Would you elaborate? 219.73.29.70 (talk) 16:13, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

This'd be difficult. He's like asking for proof for everything to satisfy his curiosity. And that might be out of innocence or unawareness. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 07:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Matthew hk has just argued "... the photo still clearly show [sic] another name". Other editors may want to take a look at the sources submitted above (at 10:05, 16 November 2021). No one who's had experience living in this territory could have argue the names "Foo Market" and "Foo Market and Cooked Food Centre" aren't interchangeable in general references. 203.145.94.111 (talk) 07:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)