Talk:Students for a Free Tibet/Archive 1

Archive 1

detainment?

Hi. This was on the news, 3 members of this group were arrested and detained by Chinese officials after a protest on the Great Wall a few days ago. Amnesty then critisized China and prompted their release. The members were interrogated and released the next day. Should this be included? I kept hearing about it on the news. Should someone add this? Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 17:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Criticism

This section doesn't even apply to Students for a Free Tibet. I'm removing it. If you like, you may want to post on Talk:International Tibet Independence Movement and see about getting it added there. --Liface 17:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think a Criticism ought to be included.

What criticism is there, exactly? --Liface 15:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Such as CIA's heavy involvement in the form of NED, advocating violence against the Chinese, not following Dalai Lama's own preaching for non-violence, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.21.190 (talk) 05:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)-

Students for a Free Tibet's entire operating budget last year was under $400,000. Further SFT discloses its budget to the public as they are required to do by law as a nonprofit organization. The notion that they receive funding by the CIA via the National Endowment for Democracy is as un-credible as it is patently slanderous.(208.120.148.119 (talk) 04:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC))

Article NOT neutral

Hi. Please fix the article so it presents the information in a neutral tone, and a pro-SFT tone as in parts of the article is unencyclopedic and not neutral, and the writer of the misson statement may be directly involved in the group so it needs to be checked for neutrality and made sure that it is not a copyright infringement. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 20:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Of course the author of the mission statement is part of Students for a Free Tibet. It is their mission statement. In what way would that make the article unbalanced?(208.120.148.119 (talk) 04:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC))

Hi. Please also see the section below. This should either be re-written in a way that does not promote SFT in any way, or spread propaganda. Otherwise, it may be possible to blockquote it, using "<blockquote>" before the beginning, and "</blockquote>" after its end, in a way that makes the article neutral. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 20:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

References

I'm going to collect some possibly useful references here. It's difficult to find news stories about the group itself and not just events that have been staged. Obviously, these need to be incorporated into the article as inline citations. --Gimme danger (talk) 18:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

• Minnesota Daily article about founding

Mission statement

If the mission statement is included it must be sourced and be in a blockquote. Otherwise it appears that Wikipedia is stating that SFT works "in solidarity...", which is not a neutral statement. Wikipedia cannot take a position here, so the section must be sourced or removed immediately. I also question whether a mission statement is a piece of encyclopedic information. It would be much easier - in terms of neutrality and verifiability - to simply document SFT's actions. --Gimme danger (talk) 20:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

NPOV?

I'd say this article has a biased slant: Descriptions are all whishy-washy, positive and "we are the friends of the universe" type thing. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs 04:17, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: Just quick-read through Wikipedia's guidelines and policies; "Wikipedia is not a place to spread propaganda". This page clearly breaks this rule. I'd say, either a partial or entire re-edit, or possible deletion of a few paragraphs. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs 04:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I haven't read through all the past edits, but I imagine that the above comments about neutrality are probably no longer applicable. The article now is quite concise and pretty bare-boned, and I can't see anything really that amounts to 'propaganda'. Any slant seems to have been removed. Should the NPOV tag be removed now? I'd say yes. Veggiehead (talk) 09:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Canvassing by Benlisquare

Note that Benlisquare is canvassing at Anti-cnn and is asking to manipulate Wikipedia to counter a perceived Anti-Chinese bias, see [1]. This article is mentioned in his forum post. Novidmarana (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV

I've removed an old POV template with a dormant discussion, per the instructions on that template's page:

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But the aims of the SFT for Tibetans are the same as that of the PRC Government

The aims of the the SFT for Tibetans stated in the article are actually the same as that of the PRC Government, ie "Tibetan people's human rights, cultural heritage, environment, language and religion". These rights are now universal in the PRC and apply to all its nationalities. The only people in the PRC with less rights are the Han majority. None of the aims stated in the article were protected by the lamas of old. SFT should direct its efforts against the out of touch and out of date lama regimes. 86.136.200.108 (talk) 15:26, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

A free Tibet or an independent Tibet?

Should these students not style themselves Students for an Independent Tibet rather than a free Tibet? The title, "a free Tibet" probably attracts more attention than an independent Tibet because everybody loves the idea of freedom, but as stated in the article, the SFT's motive is for an independent Tibet. If one is talking about freedom, then Tibetans are now freer than they have ever been in any part their history, and certainly a lot of Tibetans are a lot more freer now than when under the lamas. When talking about freedom, one really needs to define what is meant by freedom, and what one will do under freedom, and how much taxes people who shout freedom want to take from the ordinary people. 86.136.200.108 (talk) 15:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

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Indian occupied Tibetan territories

Should the students also demand freedom and liberation of Tibetan territories presently occupied by India? 2A00:23C1:C11A:D500:E0A5:9324:40CF:A2B4 (talk) 22:08, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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