Talk:Stonewall Jackson High School (Kanawha County, West Virginia)

school name

i moved the page because it was named after the high school formerly at that location, while there was no page for the middle school currently there.

i understand that the school board has decided to change the name, and one popular option is "Katherine Johnson Middle School", but i am currently unfamiliar with any reliable sources that have reported that this name has been selected. not being local to the area, i understand that i could be completely incorrect about this.

@John from Idegon: as you were the one to move it back, i thought i should ping you about this.

@Gab4gab: as you are also currently editing the page, i thought you may have some additional insight i do not currently have. dying (talk) 16:41, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dying: This article is about a high school, not about a school building. Now that the high school is closed it's history is done. When a school building is repurposed that may lead to a new article. In this case, the middle school that now makes use of the building is unlikely to be notable enough to merit an article although there are exceptions. A building on the register of historical buildings could have a separate article about the building itself. Gab4gab (talk) 16:52, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Gab4gab nailed it. There's nothing really of value in this article to merge to the applicable high school article. The name is changing, so that's a factor, but in all honesty, this should likely just be a redirect to the appropriate high school article. There's value in keeping the title as a redirect. John from Idegon (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Gab4gab: thank you for the reasoning. although i do agree that a middle school may not be notable enough for inclusion in wikipedia, in this case, the middle school has received plenty of media coverage from multiple "reliable [secondary] sources that are independent of the subject", so i am assuming that is notable enough "for a stand-alone article or list". do you agree? if not, is there something else about the notability standard that i am unfamiliar with? furthermore, if you do not believe the middle school warrants its own article, do you believe that discussing the middle school on the page of the high school would be appropriate? dying (talk) 17:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: thanks for the response. i apologize, but i have been going over your comment multiple times, and cannot seem to make sense of it. i understand Gab4gab's position, but i believe you have made an additional point that would be useful for me to understand, but i cannot seem to right now. i think one issue is that i am not sure what "this article", "this", and "the title" refer to, and although i am assuming that "the applicable high school article" and "the appropriate high school article" refer to this article (since i believe it is the only high school article under discussion), i cannot seem to find an appropriate interpretation of your comment under that assumption. could you further clarify? dying (talk) 17:25, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

It sounds like we are in agreement that a move wasn't the right choice here. Dying, it sounds like the next step hinges on what it is you want to add. If it has to do with the naming controversy, then I'd say no, it isn't appropriate. If you have information about Stonewall Jackson High School to add, then that would be appropriate to add to Capital High School (Charleston, West Virginia). Details about Stonewall Jackson Middle School wouldn't, and the naming controversy isn't enough to make it notable per WP:1E.

My proposal would be to blank the page and redirect it to the high school. There's no sourced information to merge. John from Idegon (talk) 17:31, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: i'm sorry, i probably should have noted that i also agree that i had made a mistake in moving the page. i did not realize that that was still under consideration. i had realized it when Gab4gab stated that "[t]his article is about a high school, not about a school building".

also, thank you for explaining your comment. i see now that the reason i was confused is that the middle school page had already been blanked and made into a redirect when you undid the move, so i could not understand what articles needed merging, and what needed to be made into a redirect.

thank you for pointing out wp:1e to me. i may have had only a passing familiarity with it some years ago, and do not recall having created a blp before, so i had not considered it in this case. also, although that standard is apparently for "People notable for only one event", is it safe to assume that, in practice, this also applies to things other than people?

what i had wanted to do was to find appropriate pages to link to from the List of name changes due to the George Floyd protests article. since the school board for the middle school has decided to change the name, i was trying to determine whether there was an appropriate article to link to. having found this article, and believing that it was about the building, i made the move.

seeing that the move was incorrect, i was then trying to figure out if there was anything else that was appropriate to do. did the middle school warrant a new article? should the information about the name change be placed on the high school page instead? my understanding about notability at the time did not preclude the creation of a new article, but i wanted to ask more experienced editors to determine if that was really the best option. also, the subsequent changes to the organization(s) that used the building, such as the junior high school being converted to a middle school, seemed important enough to be mentioned on the high school page, so i had thought that adding the name change there would also be appropriate, but i wanted to get additional input before doing so. if the name change is neither appropriate for a new article on the middle school nor a mention on the high school article, then that is okay too. i just did not know if that was actually the case.

by the way, Gab4gab, i noticed that you had added a notability tag to the article with the edit summary "It is rare for a middle school to be notable, especially one with no reliable sources", but then removed it after the article wording made it clear that the article referred to a high school. does this mean that, in general practice, high schools are presumed notable, while middle schools are not? dying (talk) 19:07, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

From what I've observed: In theory high schools must satisfy notability requirements like any other article. In practice they are handled as presumed notable, while middle schools are not. Gab4gab (talk) 22:45, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

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