Talk:Stephen Vogt/GA1
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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 10:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.
If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)
I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.
Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)
Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.
Immediate Failures
editIt is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria
-It contains copyright infringements
-It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}).
-It is not stable due to edit warring on the page.
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Links
editProse
editLede
edit- Could we expand on what the IPA means?
- Sorry, where is this? — Hunter Kahn 20:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- (/ˈvoʊt/; - without an explaination, it means nothing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Ahh, ok, that was there before I edited it and honestly, I didn't even know that was called IPA. LOL I'm happy to expand on it but I'm not sure what's appropriate to add? More articles I see don't have anything other than the IPA text. Should I add "IPA:" to the front of the word, maybe? — Hunter Kahn 20:00, 7 May 2020 (UTC) — Hunter Kahn 20:00, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- Just put (pronounced /'...) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:06, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- Ahh, ok, that was there before I edited it and honestly, I didn't even know that was called IPA. LOL I'm happy to expand on it but I'm not sure what's appropriate to add? More articles I see don't have anything other than the IPA text. Should I add "IPA:" to the front of the word, maybe? — Hunter Kahn 20:00, 7 May 2020 (UTC) — Hunter Kahn 20:00, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- Stephen Guy Vogt (/ˈvoʊt/; born November 1, 1984) is an American professional baseball catcher for the Arizona Diamondbacks of Major League Baseball (MLB). - well, he hasn't always played for them...
- baseball catcher - WP:SEAOFBLUE
- MLB all-star - should link the whole thing, or it's an WP:EASTEREGG.
- Repetition of draft in " He was drafted by Tampa Bay in the 12th round of the 2007 Major League Baseball draft."
- Vogt spent six years in minor leagues in Tampa Bay, and was named the franchise's Minor League Player of the Year - is "minor league" a proper noun or not? Might need to expand on what minor league it is.
- I added a wikilink to the first reference of "minor leagues", which I think should be sufficient for the reader without having to expand on what it is, which I think would add a lot of unnecessary wording to the lead. As for "Minor League Player of the Year", my understanding is that is the official title of the distinction, so it is a proper noun in this case and should be capitalized. — Hunter Kahn 20:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- 0 for 32 hitless streak, - Jargon.
- He started his major league career with an 0 for 32 hitless streak, which set a Tampa Bay record and lasted into his debut with Oakland in 2013 - I'm still not sure what this means.
- bases-loaded walk-off single. - Jargon. Might be ok in prose, but is a bit much in the lede.
- breakout season - is this a technical term? Sounds promotional.
- By the time Vogt left Oakland in 2017, - casual tone. Try "Vogt left Oakand in 2017 with a batting..."
- 49 home runs and 198 RBIs - more jargon.
- Expanded RBI to "runs batted in" and wikilinked it so the reader can find more on what it is. Though I think RBI is a common enough baseball statistic that its fair to use in the lead of an article about a baseball player. — Hunter Kahn 20:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- I think the idea that the lede is fine to have jargon about a topic is a misconception. How you've now handled this is fine. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Expanded RBI to "runs batted in" and wikilinked it so the reader can find more on what it is. Though I think RBI is a common enough baseball statistic that its fair to use in the lead of an article about a baseball player. — Hunter Kahn 20:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Individual records, such as "best since this time" isn't really lede worthy, this lede should be 3 paragraphs with the content.
- Is this your personal view or is there some sort of guideline or policy stating this? It certainly strikes me as lede worthy... — Hunter Kahn 20:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- A lede is about the subject, why its important, how it effects the world, etc. Its fine in the text to comment on how good a particular season is, it's not really an overview of the player as a whole though. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Is this your personal view or is there some sort of guideline or policy stating this? It certainly strikes me as lede worthy... — Hunter Kahn 20:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- shoulder injury that threatened to end his career, - conjecture.
- Vogt has been a favorite among fans and teammates alike throughout his career, and Oakland fans coined for him the popular chant "I believe in Stephen Vogt!" - puff.
- Catfish Hunter Award for three consecutive years and the Dave Stewart Community Service Award - what are these awards?
- Is there a reason sometimes you refer to the team by it's expression "athletics, the Giants" et al. and sometimes as the state - San Francisco, Tampa Bay...
- I think I mixed it up a bit to avoid repetition, but I can make changes if necessary. — Hunter Kahn 20:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know if this is suitable or not for baseball, but I'm willing to give it a pass. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- I think I mixed it up a bit to avoid repetition, but I can make changes if necessary. — Hunter Kahn 20:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Two-time NAIA All-American selection and set multiple school records. - what does this mean?
Infobox -
- Link 2016 Major League Baseball All-Star Game
- Why are certain things bolded in the infobox? Seems random Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:50, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- NOTE: I had to run before I could get to the general comments, but I will work on those later today. — Hunter Kahn 20:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
General
edit- copyvio check is unconvincing :).
- Whilst three references on their own isn't a WP:REFBOMB, you don't need three references for so many statements! Pick the best one, and put it in. Just because extra material exists, we don't have to use it
- Quite a few duplicate links
- What's with the level 4 subsection for minor leagues? It's lower than the one below it.
- 14 subsections is a bit ridiculous for one section. Consider changing the subsections of career into the clubs he played with, and then subsection that with year.
- If that is done, use {{|TOC|2}}
- I'm not sure I know enough about copyright to be 100%, but I don't see how the infobox image meets our CC-BY-SA standards from Flikr. [1]
- Arizona Diamondbacks (2020) needs expansion.. It also can't be simply 2020, as it's noted he signed in 2019.
- the: I can't begin to thank all of my teammates, coaches, front office, clubhouse staff, trainers and FANS enough for everything this past season. It was a season my family and I will always remember. Words will never express the gratitude we feel for the opporutnity to be a Giant. There are many things we will miss in SF and we will treasure every memory. Thank you to all the people who had a hand in that. quote needs to go, it's selfserving and isn't particularly helpful. Nothing that couldn't be written about.
GA Review
edit- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
- Pass/Fail:
Comments
edit- Automated note - If you fancy returning the favour, I have outstanding GA nominations that require reviewing at WP:GAN. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these, however it's definitely not mandatory. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)
- Thanks for agreeing to take this one on, Lee Vilenski! I look forward to addressing whatever comments you have... — Hunter Kahn 16:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- No problem! Hunter Kahn. I have a bit of a thing for getting lede's to be good (as that's the most important part of the article), thus why there are so many issues raised. It's clearly a well sourced article that could potentially do with a bit of a cull of a few references, but for the most part, the rest of the article is perfectly well in-depth. I've got a couple more comments that I will jot down, and then put it on hold. I'll drop you 7 days to get back to me, and then I'll do a second sweep. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:02, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Hunter Kahn as it's been a few days, could I get you to address the remaining points? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:42, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Apologies Lee Vilenski for the delay. I will endeavor to be more responsive from now on. I think I've addressed everything above, but let me know if I missed anything or if anything needs further attention. — Hunter Kahn 20:08, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Hunter Kahn as it's been a few days, could I get you to address the remaining points? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:42, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- No problem! Hunter Kahn. I have a bit of a thing for getting lede's to be good (as that's the most important part of the article), thus why there are so many issues raised. It's clearly a well sourced article that could potentially do with a bit of a cull of a few references, but for the most part, the rest of the article is perfectly well in-depth. I've got a couple more comments that I will jot down, and then put it on hold. I'll drop you 7 days to get back to me, and then I'll do a second sweep. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:02, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for agreeing to take this one on, Lee Vilenski! I look forward to addressing whatever comments you have... — Hunter Kahn 16:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Works for me. Passing Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)