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History/Culture

Is there a way to add information on the role of women performing with steel pans? They weren't appropriate until maybe the 80s. Steel pan playing was strictly a male activity until the late 1970s/early 1980s. It was not socially acceptable for women to play for a few reasons. In the beginnings of steel pan groups they were associated with violence, this was a big it was not acceptable to play as well as the idea that they had a role in the home, not playing music. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18903131 https://etd.ohiolink.edu/rws_etd/document/get/muhonors1111087466/inline

Steelpan Multimedia Application

User Rerev has been trying to put in his crappy software promotion into the article Steelpan a few times now. It got deleted by other wikipedians including myself, but user Rerev keeps putting his self promotion back into the article. If this starts to be an edit war, I'll bring this to the attention of wiki-administrators which will deal with it accordingly. Rerev, please refrain from undoing edits and putting your stuff back in. Do not include footnotes which just lead onto the homepage of this crappy software. There are a lot of softwares like that on the market anyway, so this info does not belong into a wikipedia article.Panmaker (talk) 02:09, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Whats with the tuner section?

Well, it just doesn't sound encyclopedic, rather like something you'd find on a dedication or fan homepage.

I agree absolutely, and suggest that this list be removed from this article, perhaps giving mention only to the "pioneer" masters. Otherwise a separate page can be created for it, much like the "list of steelbands" one. Giving a list that doesn't even say it is a possibly incomplete — and possibly biased, doesn't seem in good form. Justin Biggs 22:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Only one invented in the 20th Century?

This article makes the claim that the Steelpan is the only non acuostic percussion instrument invented in the 20th century, but I can name at least 10 other percussion instruments invented in that century that are not steelpans. How about the Vibraphone? Or Rototoms (Or is this just considered a type of Tom Tom) ? Or just take a look at http://www.oddmusic.com/ to find hundreds of recently invented instruments, including percussion. Regardless, I think it's unlikley that Steepans were the only acoustic percussion instrument to be made in the 20th century. This should be removed or changed. Mabey say "One of the few major non electric/acoustic percussion instruments to be invented in the 20th Century." 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah. Musical instrument invention really came into its own in the 20th century. It's not even "one of the few". I made the change. Tom Duff 22:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Steelpan

I have never in my entire life heard of this intstrument being referred to as a "Steelpan;" in fact if you look at dictionary.com under "Steel Pan" (two words, not one) it simply says "A steel drum" 1 - and then there is a proper definition under "steel drum" 2 - Unless someone can provide a reference of proof as to this more commonly or properly being called a "steelpan" or "steel pan," I STRONGLY suggest a reverstion to the original article title, because I don't think this is correct. Pacian 07:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

" Please see the reviewed technical definition as to why the instrument is called Steelpan "

It is the correct name/usage. If we invented it, we can name it, not so? From Pan Trinbago website:

Welcome to the Official Site of Pantrinbago, the World Governing Body for Steelpan.

Guettarda 13:06, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm familiar with "steelpan" and "steel pan" throughout the Caribbean, however I've heard "steel drum" in the (mainland) U.S. I think "steelpan" is the appropriate article title. For other references, see http://steelpan.com/docs/about.html and http://www.seetobago.com/trinidad/pan/2000/event01.htm#quick50.

--Gruepig 18:36, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I stand corrected, which is why I asked :) I pride myself on being non-U.S.-centric and I feel like a hypocrite for not thinking globally on this Pacian 19:06, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've played in small steel bands in the UK for most of my life and almost everyone I've known refers to them as steel pans.

From my experience, I only ever seen one diatonically tuned pan (and that was a toy minipan). Should this sentence not possible be "usually tuned chromatically but sometimes diatonically"? I feel this is a rather important difference, as this fact allows the pan to be taken seriously as a musical instrument, rather than being regarded as some kind of "folk" instrument. --Justin Biggs 2005-07-01 10:59:00 (UTC)

Whoever edited the article to state most steelpans are tuned diatonically (adding in the edit summary that "to be honest I have never heard of or seen a chromatically tuned steelpan") is simply wrong. He or she obviously does not know a lot about steelpan :-) I have re-edited the page to read (correctly) that most steelpans are tuned chromatically, but cheap novelty or toy steel drums are tuned diatonically. I agree, Justin, that it is hard to take seriously any instrument that does not produce the full chromatic scale, and the steelpan most certainly does!

--Karen

The highest-pitched pans were called "Ping Pongs" in Trinidad ca 1975. Is that term still used? Casey (talk) 04:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Steelpan/drum History & Development

I just found this history that's not included: http://www.toucans.net/Gallery/aboutPan.html 67.176.255.6 (talk) 22:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I live in Fairmont, West Virginia, and attended both Fairmont State and West Virginia University. While I was at W.V.U., I had 2 very close friends that studied percussion, and the steelpan/drum. They studied at the College of Creative Arts @ West Virginia University, with a gentleman by the name of Ellie Mannette. Mr. Mannette is a faculty member at W.V.U. (although I saw a report on a local TV station on 01/27/2006 that said he would be retiring soon; there was no timeframe nor were there any other specifics mentioned), and you can read about him at his listing in the Faculty pages for those in the College of Creative Arts here:

http://www.wvu.edu/~music/faculty/emannette.html

He also has himself a site online. You can see his site by visiting here:

http://www.mannettesteeldrums.com

My question is, why is Mr. Mannette not mentioned on the (history of) the Steelpan/drum page? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steelpan ) From what I understand, he has been very, very instrumental in the development of the modern Steelpan/drum, during the last 60+ years or so. It seems to me that his name would appear somewhere in this article. I would write it myself, but I do not know as much as others in the Steelpan/drum community about him do. I only know what I have mentioned, that he has been an important figure in the Steelpan/drum community, since a very young age. I also know that he lives in Morgantown, West Virginia, and is on the Faculty for the College of Creative Arts.

I do remember hearing from a local report on TV that I mentioned earlier that before he retires, he wants to have a "Grand Finale Steel Symphony". There is mention on his site of "Ellie Mannette's Festival of Steel", to be held July 9-16, 2006. I am not sure if this is the "Grand Finale" that was mentioned on the broadcast I heard last week, or not. You can read about and download an application for the 2006 Festival from:

http://www.mannettesteeldrums.com/MSDworkshop.htm

In advance, thank you to anyone that can help with my question(s) about Mr. Ellie Mannette. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DigitalGuy (talk • contribs) January 30, 2005

Mannette was very influential. There is no reason not to include material here - just make sure that the material you add is (a) balanced (the article is very thin right now), (b) verifiable (please cite your sources - it'd be a good start) and (c) not a copyright violation (is may be obvious, but I figured I should add it just to be on the safe side). Guettarda 20:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

If I may add that the only instrumet that was invented in this century was originally name "steelpan". It is the other countries the US and Internationally wants to claim it the "steeldrum". What is a steeldrum? the material use make the steelpan. Hope everyone get it.

Is it really the only instrument invented in the 20th century? See Blue Man Group. --Emurphy42 04:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Depends on how you define it. Anyway, "it is described as...", which it is. Guettarda 05:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the claim that it is the only new instrument of the 20th Century is obviously somewhat relative. It needs to be seen in the context of the socipolitical project of steelpan to recognise the creativity and inspiration of black ghetto musicianship. Indeed I feel that this this theme could be emphasised more. It is a central aspect of Trinidadian experience of the instrument.--campdog 07:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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Just a small note, shouldn't it be 44 gallon drums rather than 55?--campdog 06:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with campdog that it should be 44 gallon, although surely whatever they say in Trinidad would be best... wikipedia automatically redirects 55 gallon drums to 44 gallon too. (So I'm changing it.) --Justin Biggs 22:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The 55 vs 44 gallon thing depends on whether you are using an American Gallon or an English Gallon....go figure.... The volume is 210 litres... :)

Does the shape of the crum come from the cruved base found on older drums? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.201.136.122 (talk) 22:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Hydrosteel

the article says:"Two Americans, George Whitmyre and Harvey J. Price, have secured a United States patent for "the process of formation of a Caribbean steelpan using a hydroforming press". This patent is being challenged by the Trinidad and Tobago Legal Affairs Ministry, since many Trinbagonian drum makers have used similar methods for years.[5] Their pan making company, Hydroforming, has gone out of business." That many Trinbagonian panmakers have used the methods of hydroforming is not true. The patented process adressed exactly this (and nothing else) hydroforming technique. In the late 79ties, CARIRI did a research project together with the swedish Saab company, where it was (sucessfully) tried to deep-draw a rawform for Sopranopans. The project was not taken any further, since trinidadian tuners did not seem to like working on the new form. Hydroforming (pressing using waterpower) has not been done by anybody else. I suggest, that above sentence is deleted, since it does not contain any valuable information. --Panmaker (talk) 11:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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I was wondering if you guys thought we should mention the e-pan. It is the worlds first electronic steelpan. I have used and it seems to be a huge defelpment for all pan players. Here is the website http://napeinc.com/. -Patrick —Preceding unsigned comment added by Random24 (talk • contribs) 02:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Chromatic/ Diatonic

As a matter of fact the early steelpans were not chromatic at all but focussed on modes and associated chords. Pan was initially a rythm instrument which became a tonal instrument. The old pan players all talk about playing early pans with single scales or bas pans with four tonic notes (eg C,G,F,D) which apllied to just a few keys. Modern chromatic pans are really a result of a long process of evolution and a search for legitimacy with respect to western musical principles.--campdog 05:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's true, but the statement is defining modern steelpans, not historic ones. Frankly, it's possible to create a steelpan in any tuning configuration, just as it would be possible to create, say, a vibraphone with any tuning. But the modern standard is chromatic. Information on the evolution towards that standard would belong in the history section.

Construction

This section suggests that the pan is tempered before the notes are marked out, this is incorrect. The notes are marked and hammered out and then the pan is fired or"burned" for approximately 10 minutes. The burning tempers the steel, allowing it to be tunable. The tempering changes the metallurgical structure of the mild steel of the drum and literally reforms the drum into the instrument.--campdog 06:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

This sections content is inadequate. I suggest to split the section in two parts, one being pan construction, and the second being pan tuning. I suggest a more technical approach of the explanation of Steelpan building, stepping away from the "take an oil drum and sink it down" philosophy. Unless people get involved in this discussion, I will start to edit the section "construction". --Panmaker (talk) 10:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Years ago, I apprenticed with Cordell "Spongy" Barbour in Austin. The following is a description that I wrote back then, of how Cordell makes pans.

I put it here for the world to see, and so the information is preserved:

N Deleted

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.219.22.58 (talk) 23:08, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

If you are the copyright holder, may I suggest formally licensing it and publishing it on Wikisource?

The lists in this article...

Firstly, the list of pan types: Is there any special reason that it says there are 11 instrument types (especially since fourteen are listed)? I propose it gets changed to "a variety of types"... Furthermore, is this list really complete or constructed properly? For instance, why not include the different types of basses as the same instrument type, then giving a comment that their are a variety of configuration ranging across 5 to 12 drums? Similarly, there are such things as single seconds, or single and double guitars, which haven't been mentioned. (The only reason I do not make these changes is that I would rather have someone with greater knowledge do it.)

Secondly, the list of steelbands: there is another page called "list of steelbands", or something similar. That would be a better place for the lists, and I propose the list in this article is removed.

And the other lists... are they all necessary for an encyclopaedia article? I think maybe this page is getting big enough to be split up a bit. —Justin Biggs 22:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think, too, that the extensive lists in this article should be removed. They seem to get more names added every now and then by anonymous editors with no sources stated. –mysid☎ 17:55, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Master pan tuners needs supporting citations; steelbands needs to go (there's a List of steelbands); Famous pannists, jazz artist, composers and arrangers needs to go or be converted to a cited list; Upcoming pannists, arrangers and composers has to go - it's unverifiable. Guettarda 23:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Almost featured.

Hey people, this article looks like it is a few citations (maybe in origins section for example) and other clean-ups from being featured on Wikipedia. Keep up the good work ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 15:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Short documentary film

PBS in the USA used to run a short film showing how a steelpan was made from a discarded 55 gallon drum. It started out with some kids finding the drum then rolling it to a shop where it was cut and formed into the instrument.

They're also very popular in the Philippines, at least they were in the late 1970's. I went there in 1978 and almost everywhere I went in Manilla I could hear or see someone playing one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 06:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The Pan was made by Spree Simon and he was from Trinidad and Tobago —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.59.10.63 (talk) 00:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

External Links

I changed up the external links, according to Wikipedia:External_links, specially foreign language content see WP:EL#ADV Panmaker (talk) 08:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion and other corrections

I finally deleted the sentence "Two Americans, George Whitmyre and Harvey J. Price, have secured a United States patent for "the process of formation of a Caribbean steelpan using a hydroforming press". This patent is being challenged by the Trinidad and Tobago Legal Affairs Ministry, since many Trinbagonian drum makers have used similar methods for years.", which has been under "Origins". The patent has been meanwhile granted to above mentioned persons. I'll also be making several other adjustments soon.Panmaker (talk) 15:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Origins Section jpg file

In the upper left corner of the Origins Section there is a little box with a link to a picture, but the date of the picture is "1850" I would think that it would be 1950 because steelpans were not invented in the 19th century. I don't have access to editing that little box. Can somebody correct the date?CharlesJustice (talk) 00:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Origins (II World War)

"The steel pan or steel drum originated after World War II when the British and American navies left thousands of 55-gallon oil barrels on the beaches of Trinidad." As can be read in http://www.hangblog.org/panart/2-S2-4-IsmaRossing.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.109.45.214 (talk) 12:52, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

User with IP 72.26.0.65

I deleted your following contribution: "The first steel pans were sunk from inside of the drum, producing a dome on the top. Elle Mannette is the first one to invert the pan, and sink the surface. Having apprenticed with a master pan maker, I can attest to the effort that goes into making these instruments. A series of hammers, from 6 lb sledges to 4 ounce babies, all with the faces shaped to a ball or shallow bump are used. It takes me about 12 hours of hammering to sink a tenor pan correctly. There is a lot to the process, in order to make a pan that sounds good. The tension in the metal is critical, and the shape of the sides of the pan are also critical. Cordell (Spongy) Barbour, of Austin Texas, the master pan maker I apprenticed under, makes pans that literally ring. There is no plink. Each note is tuned to a fundamental frequency. The top of the note is tuned to the octave that is lower than the note, and the bottom of the note is tuned to match the next higher octave. Each side of the note is also tuned to match the notes next to it. This results in 5 unique frequencies for each note. The net effect of this, is that when a note is struck, the octave also sounds, and so do the two notes to the side. This results in an almost organ like tone."

First, your info would correctly belong into the Construction section. Then, hammers used for building are not bound to be steel sledge hammers. Further, your explanation of tuning and overtones is very confusing and not understandable. Then, what is an "organ like tone"? How you do your thing and how long it takes you to build an instrument is not really of public interest.Panmaker (talk) 10:40, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Method of pitch production

Forgive my ignorance, but I came to this page to learn how steel drums produce sound. Other than a vague mention of "notes of different sizes being shaped and molded into the surface", and its classification as an idiophone, this is not actually explained. At the very least, the word "notes" in the above quotation should at least be changed to "tines" or "chimes" or whatever they actually are. To someone who has never seen inside a steel drum before, the article is not terribly illuminating. Some pictures of the inner surface would be very helpful too. Not trying to be overly critical; I would make these changes myself but they would only be based on secondhand knowledge (reading other sources) so I don't feel qualified. Thanks!

24.36.141.200 (talk) 19:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protection

I have semi-protected this page in response to continual vandalism by IPs, most but not all of which is being caught by cluebot and the last stayed there for an embarassing time until I undid it [1]. I think this is in accordance with policy, but as it's my first ever page protection feel free to drop me a line to discuss. Andrewa (talk) 17:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Tuning

Current article [2] reads in part The pan is a chromatically pitched percussion instrument (although some toy or novelty steelpans are tuned diatonically)... Not true. The bass pans don't even have a complete diatonic scale.

I can see what it's trying to say, but playing chromatically requires many pans, and not all musicians use multiple pans. The top virtuosi do, perhaps; Not even convinced that's always true. Andrewa (talk) 17:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Jamie xx's Far Nearer

I'm not really qualified to write it myself, but I feel like the article should really talk about Jamie xx's 2011 single "Far Nearer" which makes extensive use of the steel drum. It's the only instance I can think of where a steel drum is used in modern electronic music, and I think it's really interesting. The song was quite popular (selected by Pitchfork as Best New Track, etc.) Listen to it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rhALivFYQY — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fletcher Tomalty (talk • contribs) 18:45, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

other name

Just to add one, they're called "Pan Drums" where I live. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.134.7 (talk) 23:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

The article has several occurrences of "steel pan" or "Steel Pan". 75.208.71.61 (talk) 16:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Pang

This appear to refer to Hang_(instrument). 75.208.71.61 (talk) 16:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2014

An additional festival can be added to the music and competition section. The Great Lakes Steelpan Festival has a page on Wikipedia and could be mentioned and linked to in this section. Dapottster (talk) 23:21, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 01:21, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Not the only instrument to use Pythagorean tuning

I object to this statement: "Since Pythagoras calculated the formula for the musical cycle of fourths and fifths, Steel Pans are the only instruments made to follow this configuration."

Surely there have been (many) other instruments designed with pythagorean tuning over the centuries. Furthermore, it's not even clear to me that (every) Steel Pan's tuning is based on exact 3:2 frequency ratios; in practice I suspect they may often be tuned to 12-TET.

MusicScience (talk) 23:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

They are most definitely tuned to 12-TET (normally). The article aught to say that tenor pans are arranged in fourths and fifths.

Agarikon (talk) 22:29, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree: these are definitely NOT the "only instruments" to be designed for Pythagorean tuning. Any number of string instruments (I own 2 Pythagorean guitars); wind instruments (some organs); and other percussion instruments (sansu) have used this tuning, and the practice goes back to antiquity. The statement needs to be removed or changed, but editing appears to be broken for this article.

I made an adjustment to the section, based on the notes above. Still, if there's some reference on the subject we could point to, that would be even better, since I know nothing on the topic! Wikinetman (talk) 03:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2014

There is a very large art collection on the history of the steel pan in Trinidad and Tobago, it is the only art collection of its kind. More information on this collection can be found by typing steel pan paintings in any search engine. I believe something of this magnitude should be acknowledged on the steel pan wikipedia page as this collection was also displayed for quite sometime in the National Museum of Trinidad and Tobago. Barbarbar321 (talk) 18:23, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 19:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Can't edit incorrect information

This article has some problems, but it is not accepting editing.

• The original name was "steel drum", not "steel pan". The term "steel pan" originally referred only to the highest drum, and wasn't applied to the other sizes until much later.
• The original steel bands typically had only four sizes of drum: ping-pong; guitar; double (sometimes called "tenor" or "double tenor"); and boom. Other sizes were added later on, but these four were the core of the steel bands through the 1960s, at least.
• It is not correct that "the modern pan is chromatically pitched", unless you are using "pan" in the old, traditional sense - to refer only to the ping-pong.

But the whole article is predicated on using "pan" to refer to all of the drums. In that case, it is only true that the higher pitched pans are chromatic (the top three on the list currently given under "Classification".) From the tenors on down it is impossible to fit enough notes on a pan-head to make any of them fully chromatic, so they are generally given diatonic layouts -- for these sizes, multiple pans must be used to achieve chromaticism. The bass drums ("booms") rarely ever exist in a full chromatic set in a given band.

• The insert box/illustration should specify that only the ping-pong is shown. The other sizes look very different.
• The note in the box that pans were "developed" between 1880-1937 is incorrect. The firs steel pans didn't appear until the late 1930s, and the now-popular 55-gallon drum design didn't become common until nearly a decade later.
• "There are many different instruments (...) making up the family of steelband instruments: is technically incorrect. There are many different ranges and layouts of the same instrument. A double-tenor or a cello, for example, are the same instrument as the ping-pong, just in a different range. (Just as, for example, a Bb-trumpet, and a C-trumpet, and a bass trumpet are all still trumpets.)
• There is no such thing as an "electronic steel pan"; there are electronic instruments which simulate the sound and playing modes of steel pans. The sound of an elephant can be electronically simulated as well, but we don't call such simulations "electronic elephants".
• "The sound of the steelpans adds a pleasant and accessible sound to an otherwise complex musical style" ... is someone's personal opinion. Not everyone finds steel pans in jazz "agreeable", nor does everyone find fusion jazz "complex", and complexity isn't necessarily "disagreeable". This sentence needs to be removed.
• Solo pan players, using pong-pong pans suspended by a neck strap, were common in the 1950s -- although they were more likely to be seen in nightclub- and tourist-settings than concert halls. (One appears in an episode of the TV detective series "Hawaiian Eye", for example.)
• "Hang" is a trademarked proprietary name for a particular kind of steel drum, and not a generic designation for a type of drum.

If Wikipedia ever fixes the editing feature on this article, some or all of the above changes need to be looked into. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 01:44, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Merger Discussion

Request received to merge articles: Pannist into Steelpan#Merger Discussion; dated December 2015; discussion here. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"}

• Rationale: "Merge Pannist into Steelpan as it is a stub and some information is already repeated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gudzwabofer (talk • contribs) 09:33, 9 September 2015 (UTC)"

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On the list of important pan players I don't find Rudy Smith. He was the pioneer, who in the early 1960's turned the pan into a jazz instrument. He made the first first jazz recording with his alto pans as the main solist (Still Around 1984), released a live jazz recording from the famed Fasching jazz club in STockholm (Stretching Out 1985), was the first to fuse a steel band with a jazz quartet (Time to Move on 1999). Recenly his earlier work is documented on What Pan Did for me, including a 48 page booklet documenting his music (Caprice Records 2016), and 2017 a new release with his quartet (Glass World Stunt Records). Visit his homepage at: http://rudysmith.dk/

Another great player I miss on the list is Anise Hadeed And maybe also some comments on the fertile pan scene in Switzerland.

Ole Matthiessen (talk) 08:28, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2018

Please change (in section origin) "Slaves, who could not take part in carnival, formed their own, parallel celebration called canboulay." to "Slaves, who could not take part in carnival, formed their own parallel celebration called canboulay."

Please change (in section origin) "French planters and their slaves emigrated to Trinidad" to "French planters and their slaves immigrated to Trinidad"

Thanks, Martin Mboerwink (talk) 06:48, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 08:59, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2018

Please change "The pannists, who were associated with lawlessness and violence,[citation needed] helped to popularize steelpan music among the soldiers, which began its international popularization." to The pannists, who were associated with lawlessness and violence,[citation needed] helped to popularize steelpan music among the soldiers, which began its international popularization.Steel pan playing was strictly a male activity until the late 1970s/early 1980s. It was not seen as an appropriate activity for women. At the time of the steel pan's popularity in Trinidad it was seen as being associated with a violent or derelict crowd. It was unacceptable for women to be involved in such activities. Culturally the stigma was focused on the idea that women belonged in the home or with the children and not out in the street with the pan players. As the instrument became more mainstream women were allowed to join and the stigma that went along with playing the instrument subsided. https://etd.ohiolink.edu/rws_etd/document/get/muhonors1111087466/inline https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18903131 LeHatch (talk) 21:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC) LeHatch (talk) 21:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done Additional content matches what's in sources provided. Fish+Karate 13:09, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2019

Does anyone has serious reference about Jonathan Francis, mentioned as inventor of the double guitar? This name does not appear neither in Shannon Dudley’s book, Stephen Stuempfle’s book, or Kim Johnson’s Illustrated story of steelpans. I’m an academic doing a research on the matter and I do not know that person. The only stuff I found on the Internet seem to be copied from wikipedia. I find some references should be provided to maintain this name at this place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.168.70.134 (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2020

The instrument is spelled with two words. Any time "steelpan" is written, it should be changed to "steel pan," including in the title of the article. TheJoshijo (talk) 05:45, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

​Both are common variants of the spelling, see Google Books results. If you want to make the case that the two word variant is more common, you can start a requested move discussion. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:58, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Othello Molineaux

He's a great steel pans player, with many recordings and collaborations. First one to bring steel pans to jazz, he does already have a wikipedia page, so I think he should be included in the list of the most notable players. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Othello_Molineaux — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.244.50.137 (talk) 15:55, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2021

I would like to change the part below.

This skill and performance have been conclusively shown to have grown out of Trinidad and Tobago's early 20th-century Carnival percussion groups known as tamboo bamboo.[citation needed] The pan is the national instrument of Trinidad and Tobago.

instead of the early 20th century you could change it to the 1930's. Claire1988237 (talk) 12:07, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)