Talk:Slieve League

MAP

The map attached to this page appears to be incorrect. The peak of Slieve League is shown to the South East of the actual location. In other words, the peak is shown at the bottom right hand corner of the map rather than the top left hand corner. User:Indiangrove — Preceding undated comment added 15:55, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Stop the editwar

I added a small clarification to show that we are talking about sea cliffs on the island of Ireland. Note that we are talking here about the island Ireland, not the Republic of Ireland! I invite everybody to add cliffs to the List of cliffs in the Republic of Ireland that can be found here: User:Night of the Big Wind/Workpage18. Night of the Big Wind _talk 01:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

This makes no sense, the island of ireland and all the other islands surrounding the main island are all in the republic i.e. ireland is not just one island! There are hundreds of ireland in the republic, why complicate this?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niallo301 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

It makes sense: now it includes also mainland Northern Ireland. And that is, as you know, not in the Republic of Ireland. And anyway, pushing Croaghaun in an article about the Slieve League is not done. Night of the Big Wind _talk 21:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I dont see whats wrong with editing something when its wrong, its fair. Nobody has ever separated geographical facts in ireland relating to if they are on the mainland or not, so why should it be done now?? For example, skellig michael contains a unesco site so that means it should not be included in irelands overall unesco sites?? My point is it leads to misinformation, something I am not guilty of, or if I am please point out where and how? Things like these should be left to people with the necessary qualifications to answer and deal with and thats what ive been doing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niallo301 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

What you are doing is pushing your own opinion, breaching Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Secondly, you are edit warring. And thirdly, I have the idea that you are using multiple accounts to push your view, what is in breach of Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. So, just accept the choices that are made. Night of the Big Wind _talk 23:49, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Its not an opinion, its scientific fact and therefore should be pushed. My changes should be accepted. Its an encyclopedia, not an opinion site and facts are facts. Wikipedia is open for all so i am entitled (just like you) to make sure facts are correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niallo301 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

True, it is a scientific fact that Ireland and Achill Island are separate islands, connected by a bridge that I have pictured for Wikipedia. And nothing should be pushed. Never! Night of the Big Wind _talk 01:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

you know exactly what i mean when i said scientific fact, as i said dont separate ireland and its islands, its misinformation, dont think the people living on the islands would be too happy about that. Its that type of misinformation that causes editwars. You shouldnt try be a controversial journalist on an encyclopedia page. Also benwee cliffs height is also falsly stated on your page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.215.49.59 (talk) 11:06, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

If the height of the Benwee Cliffs is wrong, you should correct the page about it. I took the height from that page. Night of the Big Wind _talk 16:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Things are done on Wikipedia by consensus. That is, achieving prior broad agreement, at least for the more controversial changes. Seeing how many people removed youe comment about Croaghan, it looks there is consensus NOT to add because it is out of the scope of the article. You can keep pushing on, but be aware that that can have consequenses like blocks and so. Night of the Big Wind _talk 13:20, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

thats no excuse, fact is fact, 'out of context' is irrelevant to a factual website. This isnt the middle ages. I have lived near croaghaun all my life and have prior academic knowledge in this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niallo301 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Try it, go on with the editwar and POV pushing. But you are warned that it can have consequences. Night of the Big Wind _talk 16:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

'Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niallo301 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, truth stand. And the truth is that the article Slieve League only states that it has some of the highest sea cliffs on the island of Ireland. So it is not referring to the republic, not referring to the British islas, not referring to Achill Island, but only referring to the island named Ireland. That is the truth and you have to live with that. Night of the Big Wind _talk 16:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

'some of' is ambiguous and vague, as i said splitting geographical hairs is misinformation, why should i live with misinformation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.215.49.59 (talk) 21:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Just take or leave it. You are warned of the consequences of edit warring, POV-pushing and the use of multiple accounts. The consequences are yours. You plain refuse to listen, so I stop trying to get any sense into you. Your choice. Night of the Big Wind _talk 22:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

no, no YOU plain refuse to listen, whats your motivation to make a cliff the highest when it clearly is not?, Im really curious about that... This is only wikipedia, a chance to produce facts and thats what i strive for. As a native I am knowledgable about what is what, no disrespect but you are not. Having grown up here and studied in a university ending with a masters degree in physical geography, I know the lie of the land,. Am i going to give up when fact vs wikipedia is concerned?well threatining me is immature and childish. FACT is FACT. There was a period where it was acceptable that the clffs of moher were the highest cliffs in europe, what would you do now if that happened?would you approve the general consesus? yes, you would — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.215.49.59 (talk) 03:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't! As far as I know it is the highest sea cliff in the Republic of Ireland but it is simply not the highest sea cliff of the island of Ireland. If you do not see the difference between the country and the island, you have a severe problem. Night of the Big Wind _talk 04:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

As i said, splitting hairs, doesn't matter what you say, do your research before you post nonsense on wikipedia. Stick to history and ill stick to geography. FACT is FACT and that will never change. Ireland is a collection of islands. Nobody ever made your stupid distinction between the mainland and the islands before so why should you start? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niallo301 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

For your information:

Ireland - an article about the island

Republic of Ireland - an article about the state Ireland

The first article is started in 2002, the second article is started in 2001. So stop talking nonsense. Night of the Big Wind _talk 13:56, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

you are wrong and you know it, get your facts right, stick to history or vague statements or whatever, i know what ireland is! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niallo301 (talk • contribs) 14:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Seeing that you are unable to see the difference between an island and a state, I severely doubt that. Night of the Big Wind _talk 14:31, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Niall's been pushing this agenda for quite a while. Niall's only wikipedia purpose, it appears, is to push this agenda. The tourist board and many other sources are pretty clear about the highest sea cliffs on (and in) Ireland. Rather than get into symantecs, the statement "some of the highest sea cliffs on Ireland." There's nothing wrong with this. It's consensus. If Niall wants to use his sock puppets to further his agenda he will be blocked, period. If he reverts despite consensus, he will be blocked. The problem is on going. Blocks are preventative, so continued threats don't help him in the slightest. Night of the Big Wind has come up with a fine compromise and as far as I'm concerned the matter is over. Continued discussion is pointless at this point. Erikeltic ^(Talk) 16:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

The tourism board are rubbish, they have a terrible reputation for getting things wrong. Consensus is too vague, it needs to be researched properly to show the real truth. Thats what I'm trying to do, just shed some light on this issue. I think that is quite fair to be honest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niallo301 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 11 February 2012 (UTC) Been a while since I have been here and I have to say that my Wikipedia page has really worked in terms of changing the warped idea that Slieve League are the highest Irish cliffs...I have read, with great pride, many hiking books and websites which have all cited Croaghaun as being the highest..why? beacuase it is simple maths. I am also delighted that many quoted my wiki page in their books and have stated that there is a misconception related to slieve League being the highest cliffs. So I rest my case, especially after 5 years of observing that people have eventualy realized that 688 is higher thatn 601!! So I hope that tonight is your night of the big wind and you finally realize that when one number is bigger than the other, then the bigger number is the higher one. Over and out, case dismissed...P.S. I was speaking to the locals on Achill island and they are quite happy to be included in the republic of Ireland...Delighted my work has finally paid off and that an actual knowledgeable person has seen his work recognized in many books and websites. Hope the night of the big wind has discovered the difference between consensus and fact, fact always wins...fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boholaman (talk • contribs) 00:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

But unfortunately, Croaghaun and the Slieve League are on different islands. Please read carefully. The Banner talk 23:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

that's fine, I accept they are on different islands, so now it would be gracious (as a contributor) to acknowledge that Croaghaun are the highest in the Republic and in Great Britain..If this is not acknowledged, I would like to know why...This is a public page so the ball is in your court now. Would be great for for Achill if they got acknowledged for once — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boholaman (talk • contribs) 00:16, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Ypu can acknowledge it everywhere where it is relevant. But that is not on this page. Try Croaghaun and Achill Island or List of seacliffs in the Republic of Ireland. But not here and certainly not in a promotional tone. The Banner talk 06:39, 7 June 2015 (UTC) The Banner talk 06:39, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Still no moving you, that's fine, I won't give up until all has been rectified — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boholaman (talk • contribs) 14:13, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Niallo/Boholaman: I agree with you that Croaghoun is the highest sea-cliff that I have seen in the Republic of Ireland. It is definitely the highest sea-cliff on Achill Island. I am not sure if it is the highest sea-cliff on the British Isles, just because I miss the knowledge. But it is not the highest sea-cliff on the island of Ireland as is stated in this article. The Banner talk 14:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

The road to Bunglass

Is this description accurate or has something changed since I was there? As far as I can remember in December 2009 there was a narrow road to a parkingplace. From there you had to walk. More or less from the Martello Tower to the viewpoint, is was a brand new road. Because the road was closed for normal traffic (far too dangerous), it is in fact a footpath. There was indeed a walking trail up the mountain starting at the viewpoint that, in my view, was just one man wide. Night of the Big Wind _talk 19:59, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I haven't been up there in a couple of years myself, but yes, that's accurate. I believe we need to work on/clarify/restore this section as it's now a bit confusing. Erikeltic ^(Talk) 00:01, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Not quite accurate but you should talk to a local when/if you're there again. User: IndianGrove 12:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC) Indiangrove (talk) 16:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

To add to article

To add to this article: Slieve League is part of the Appalachian Mountains region (dating back about 200 million years), and is the start of the International Appalachian Trail. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 06:53, 20 March 2020 (UTC)