Talk:Simferopol International Airport

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Status of Crimea

Simferopol is not an russian Airport. Violence does not change any laws. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.218.49.218 (talk) 14:42, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

It is both Russian an Ukrainian, which is reflected in the article. This is encyclopedia, and not a propaganda sheet.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:44, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Your right, no Propaganda. International law is clear. If i steal your car, then it's mine also? Plesse stop Propaganda and Vandalism! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.218.49.218 (talk) 14:49, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

This is indeed what I will do if you revert my edit again.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:53, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

What you will do? propaganda? Or steal my car?Dave78E (talk) 14:58, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Block you and your IP.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:01, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

But you know that your viewpoint is contrary to international law?Dave78E (talk) 15:09, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

You know nothing about my viewpoint, and it is also irrelevant, as well as your viewpoint. This is encyclopedia. The fact is that Ukraine thinks Crimea is theirs, and Russia thinks it is theirs. This is reflected in the article in a concise form, as well as in other articles about Crimean localities, structures etc. There are articles specifically about this point, for example Political status of Crimea, which addresses the issue in much more detail. This is pretty much sufficient.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:22, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I edited page about Simferopol Airport, because information is not valid. For example - information about flights from/to Istanbul for a short period in August 2014. It was only one indirect flight with landing in Anapa and in Istanbul airport this flight was marked as "Anapa-Istanbul", not "Simferopol-Istanbul". The same situation was with flights to Yerevan. You could check it in official site of Yerevan Airport. This information was written by Russians for creating propaganda that sanctions against Russia is not worked and Simferopol Airport is used for international flights. Until somebody prooved this information about execution this flights like regular and it was marked in Istanbul/Yerevan with destination "Simferopol" - this information is not correct.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Centreforward24 (talk • contribs)

The information is factually correct and confirmed by reliable sources. The article says explicitly both flights only operated for a short period. You are making a strawman.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:45, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

"Flights only operated for a short period" - its means thats it was operated during weeks or monthes. You could change "short period" for "one time" - its correct. We have no proofs that flights operated regulary during weeks or monthes.

About reliable sources like ria.ru - are you seriously? This site is Part of "Russia Today", sanctioned by USA&EU as organization for propaganda and lying. In article from Kyiv post we have only announce of flights.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Centreforward24 (talk • contribs)

If you have reliable sources that the flight was only operated once - I do not mind changing this to "one time" and adding sources. Before that, we have to rely on your opinion, which is, frankly, not what our policies say.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:26, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

We have proof only for one date about operating flights to Istanbul - July 19, 2014. How I could show proofs about non-happened actions? If this flights is operated two or more times, we'll have many articles in Russian sites. But we have article with only one date.

https://rusmonitor.com/aehroport-simferopolya-ostalsya-bez-poslednego-mezhdunarodnogo-rejjsa-v-turciyu.html

http://www.newsru.com/russia/27sep2014/simferopol.html

And RIA.RU))) https://ria.ru/crimea_today/20140926/1025727407.html

I monitored breaking of sanctions by Russia and can confirm, that it was happened one time.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Centreforward24 (talk • contribs)

I am sorry, but we can not accept your opinion per WP:V. Let me have a look at the sources and see whether we can do smth about them.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

I amended the text, which now says there was one flight to Istanbul and one flight to Yerevan.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:36, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 15 May 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved. Even if we agree that the de jure name of the airport has changed, this doesn't relieve us of our obligation to satisfy WP:COMMONNAME. See the comment by User:Zarcadia. So far nobody has supplied data to show that the commonly-used name has changed. Even so, the naming dispute could be mentioned in the article text. EdJohnston (talk) 19:18, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

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Simferopol International Airport → Amet-khan Sultan International Airport – Undiscussed move reverted; now lets discuss it. (User:121.221.73.9 wrote: "the article was moved to the current name based upon a government vote in Kiev. This is Wikipedia and we work on common names, not government enforced names. The article needs to be moved back to Simferopol International Airport and any possible move discussed on the talk page. I do not have the technical ability to do this at the present time.) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:53, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

• Support Crimea, where the airport is situated, is still an internationally recognized part of Ukraine per United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 ("the referendum held in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea [...] on 16 March 2014, having no validity, cannot form the basis for any alteration of the status of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea"). Thus decisions of Ukrainian authorities are de jure valid in terms of international law, despite local opposition. Brandmeister^talk 09:22, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. It was officially renamed yesterday, far too early to establish whether this name is WP:COMMONNAME. Zarcadia (talk) 15:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
• Decree about renaming is not deposited yet, but after deposition it should be renamed I think.--Anatoliy (Talk) 19:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
• Support as per Brandmeister. However, there should be some form of acknowledgement of the naming dispute somewhere in the opening paragraph. GeorgeGriffiths (talk) 16:01, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

• Comment - I have created a possible opening paragraph to get around the naming problems here. Apologies if the Ukrainian translation is a bit iffy, Google Translate had to be used for that bit as I don't speak Ukrainian. GeorgeGriffiths (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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