Talk:Siege of the Luhansk border base

Latest comment: 2 years ago by Coreyman317 in topic June 2 Bombing Attribution

Hey, i found some minor mistakes, Siege instead of seige. Also you can incorporate all the border crosspoints from Ukraine to Russia instead of only this base, since there are a lot of control points between the two nations that saw and still see military confrontation.200.48.214.19 (talk) 13:23, 6 June 2014 (UTC)Reply


original research, there was no "Ukraine border base standoff" as a proper noun/title. --LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 07:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Merger

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I'm fairly certain this should be merged into Lugansk People's Republic. RGloucester 19:49, 8 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Has significant media coverage—Arbutus the tree (talk) 02:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
It does not have "persistent" media coverage. Undue weight. RGloucester 02:51, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
Well at the time it did—Arbutus the tree (talk) 14:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
That's the point. Read what I linked. It needs to have persistent coverage beyond the time that it actually happened. RGloucester 16:09, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

It still had media coverage 2-3 days later—Arbutus the tree (talk) 18:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

It should still have it now. RGloucester 18:56, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
The RSA bombing had more coverage than the siege, so maybe this article could become that? I'm not sure about that, though, because it might be to biased.--Arbutus the tree (talk) 22:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
It's not down to what had more coverage: it's part of a broader subject (an incident within a broader scope, not an article unto itself). I'd also suggest that it be merged with Lugansk People's Republic. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

I'm either for keep or merger--Arbutus the tree (talk) 15:40, 10 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

This article needs a quick merge/redirect. It is yet another one of a series of articles dealing with the Ukraine crisis that are simply not notable. Assuming that an article is to be created to deal specifically with the military conflict in the Donbas region, then the information should be placed there. I'm hesitant to have it moved straight to the LPR page if it is only to be moved again to another page. Lunch for Two (talk) 02:13, 12 June 2014 (UTC) merge - a split isnt necessary, not notable enough in its own right i dont think --LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 05:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Provide sources, fellow. The burden is on you. RGloucester 15:26, 12 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
Just for example, June 13, 2014, Komsomolskaya Pravda (and note, this is not an online trash, but a well recognized newspaper with over 600 thousand copies circulation). Potekhin (talk) 16:27, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
In the English-language western media? RGloucester 16:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
Wikipedia:Notability clearly states: "Sources do not have to be available online and do not have to be in English." The requirement the sources to be "western" even does not deserve to be discussed (why not eastern, Chinese, for instance?). Potekhin (talk) 12:03, 14 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
Please show me these so-called sources. RGloucester 19:21, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
You can start by reading the ones referenced in the article. They are more than sufficient. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 00:20, 14 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
One news spike does not make an article. I've cited WP:PERSISTENCE. RGloucester 01:32, 14 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
As I said, show reliable English-language western sources that mention it. They are helpful for establishing notability. RGloucester 14:46, 14 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
Okay, 5 for keep and 4 for mergerArbutus the tree (talk) 03:52, 24 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
We don't tally votes on Wikipedia. Discussions are not votes, and Wikipedia is not a democracy. It isn't very helpful to do so. RGloucester 04:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
Okay--Arbutus the tree (talk) 16:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
Its actually 4 for keep, 3 for merger and one for ether. Not tallying, just saying. :P EkoGraf (talk) 16:15, 28 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Bombing?

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I see the reaction to the "bombing of the RSA" was added here, but this article doesn't seem to be about the bombing… RGloucester 16:33, 28 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Whoops, i did that. I couldn't find an article that the RSA bombing was related to enough, so i saw this one. An RSA article on it's own would not work because it needs persistent coverage as you said. I saw a "RSA bombing" on the insurgency article, but someone removed that.—Arbutus the tree (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

The insurgency article already has information on the bombing. RGloucester 21:28, 28 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Where did this happen?

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"Luhansk Border Base", except that Luhansk city is not on the Russian border. Where exactly did this "siege" take place? RGloucester 20:53, 4 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

(talk) 18:10, 9 February 2015 (UTC)I'm not exactly sure but right now finding out.--Arbutus the tree (talk) 18:10, 9 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, Arbutus. It would be nice to have a pinpointed location, so that we can maintain accuracy. RGloucester 19:35, 9 February 2015 (UTC)Reply
Still no news, months later, as to where this "siege" was? If we can't even tell where the thing was, how can we justify having an article on it? RGloucester 19:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)Reply

June 2 Bombing Attribution

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"At least one airplane was seen flying ahead, and a rocket, fired by the Ukrainian Air Force, exploded at the Luhansk RSA, killing 8–13 civilians and injuring many others. The Government of Ukraine denied that they were responsible and claimed it was caused by a misfired rebel portable surface-to-air missile.[8][18] However, the next day, the OSCE published a report, based on 'limited observation', in which they blamed the explosion on an air-strike."

We do not have direct evidence of Ukrainian attribution for this bombing. No source linked provides any evidence for the assertion that "At least one airplane was seen flying ahead, and a rocket, fired by the Ukrainian Air Force..."

This should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coreyman317 (talkcontribs) 13:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Reply