Talk:Sally McManus

Low importance

I don't understand why Sally McManus is rated "low importance". She is the Secretary of the ACTU, the peak union body which represents 1.6 million Australians. Then again, Dave Oliver doesn't even have an article!--Jack Upland (talk) 15:13, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Fixed! The Drover's Wife (talk) 07:44, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Carlingford

Is not and never has been a working class suburb. That is not to say that there are no working class people there - but it is a former orcharding district opened up for suburban development, largely consisting of largish garden blocks with brick houses.

It is now full of ugly Chinese slum apartments and townhouses.

Still not working class. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.83.178.144 (talk) 06:05, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

The Monthly as quoted in the article calls it a working class suburb. Statistics indicate that its income is above average and its population has a higher number of professionals than the average. I'm not sure what a working class suburb is, but I wouldn't call Carlingford one.--Jack Upland (talk) 06:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

The above looks like original research. Biographies of living persons require verifiability, which means using reliable sources and they specifically discourage original research such as the use of statistics to come to your own conclusions.--Senor Freebie (talk) 06:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

According to WP:ONUS, we do not need to include something simply because it's mentioned in a reliable source. In this case, I removed something; I didn't add anything. That isn't covered by WP:OR. Calling Carlingford a working class suburb is vague and potentially misleading.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Please keep in mind that the source was referring to the suburb in the 1970s, and 1980s, and the statistics you presented, and potentially your knowledge of the area appear to be more recent. The user before you claimed that it was never a working class suburb, but historically in major Australian cities, outer suburbs developed on top of former agricultural land are typically first occupied by working class people, before their demographics change.--Senor Freebie (talk) 16:56, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I first went there in the 1990s. When did you first go there?--Jack Upland (talk) 04:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Sure sounds like you're throwing any pretense of not doing original research out the window with that statement.--Senor Freebie (talk) 16:08, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

You raised the issue, not me.--Jack Upland (talk) 22:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I grew up there in the 70s and it wasn't thought of as a working class suburb then. Adjacent Dundas valley and Telopea were though. Carlingford's racial profile is considerably different now, but I don't know if that makes it any more or less working class. I was surprised to read that it was considered a working class suburb in this article. Trickily (talk) 23:59, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's definitely true. Anyone living in the hills was considered higher up the social scale than people lower down in the Dundas Valley, Telopea, not to mention Parramatta. And the statistics bear that out. Carlingford, Epping, and Eastwood have definitely seen an influx of Chinese and other migrants, which has changed the character of the suburbs, but the statistics still show that its income levels are above average. As there is a clear consensus that Carlingford has never been normally described as a "working class suburb", I think this should be removed. Per WP:ONUS we do not need to include every phrase that is used by a journalist.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:10, 16 June 2020 (UTC)