Talk:Rubricarum instructum

Requested move 18 April 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page(s) at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 19:10, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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Rubricarum Instructum → Rubricarum instructum – Queried move request. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• "The last four" below, mean:
  1. Rubricarum Instructum → Rubricarum instructum
  2. Dolentium Hominum → Dolentium hominum
  3. Misericordiae Vultus → Misericordiae vultus
  4. Dominicae Cenae → Dominicae cenae
  • Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
• Title case is not used in the Latin. | sig = 142.161.81.20 (talk) 02:10, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

I contest the last four above requests by the IP (Rubricarum ... to Domnicae Cenae) and the request to revert the below move, since WP is in English not in Latin and since there seem to be sources which support the capitalized versions, ex. Dominicae Cenae. It's the English language sources which matter, not Latin, non-English usage 198.84.253.202 (talk) 03:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Plus, irrelevant of the title case, I'm not sure any of these passes WP:GNG, at least given present sourcing and given that WP:ITEXISTS isn't sufficient. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 03:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

(1) Of what relevance are notability standards and AfD-related essays to a requested move? (2) The reversion of an undiscussed move is not contestable. (3) The lowercase is frequently used in English-language sources and is in line with all-but-consistent usage across the encyclopedia. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 04:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

1. It's irrelevant, as I write myself. 3. Provide a source which demonstrates your point, WP usage is actually inconsistent on this. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 04:13, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

It's irrelevant, as I write myself. Do explain how notability standards pertain to a move request. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 04:16, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

I just mentioned them as a passing point, they don't matter. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 04:17, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Provide a source which demonstrates your point. To use one title as an example, here's two books in the English language from highly reputable publishers, T&T Clark (one of the largest publishers in the field of theology, now part of Bloomsbury) and Oxford University Press, respectively. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 04:21, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

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• Also involved is (Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:35, 18 April 2018 (UTC)):-
  • Ex Corde Ecclesiae (currently a redirect to Ex corde Ecclesiae) → Ex corde Ecclesiae – Title case is not used in the Latin, but "Ecclesiae" is nonetheless capitalized (as seen here). 142.161.81.20 (talk) 01:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Tagging Chicbyaccident for comment as he made the move 4 weeks ago — IVORK _Discuss 03:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

A quick gander into the subject returns [1], [2], and [3] quality sources that show "Ex Corde Ecclesiae" as a commonly accepted form and I think it can go to discussion as is to see if a consensus forms to move it to "Ex corde Ecclesiae". My initial thoughts are that it is properly titled now and should probably stay there on enWikipedia.--John Cline (talk) 04:32, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

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Survey

• @John Cline and IVORK: See here. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
• Just to be clear, I am standing on my initial inclination to oppose these moves. In all cases, the preponderance of sources I see are uppercase in both title and running text. After allowing for reason to validate this request, nothing has come to otherwise consider.--John Cline (talk) 06:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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