Talk:Roy Masters (rugby league)

Arcticle on Lowy

This is the article from the Sydney Morning Herald to do with Lowy:

"Let's be frank, code needs all the help it can get Roy Masters July 15, 2006 Page 1 of 2 | Single page

ON THE title page of Rod Kemp's copy of Sheilas, Wogs and Poofters, author Johnny Warren wrote an inscription: "Rod, Let's make it happen" and autographed it.The date was October 10, 2002, less than three months after Senator Kemp, the Federal Minister for Sport, set up a committee to reform soccer, as it was then known, in Australia.Senator Kemp co-opted businessman David Crawford to head the review and Crawford recruited Warren and three others. The review committee released its 53 recommendations in April 2003, the most important being the appointment of an independent board.In July 2003, a board led by Australia's second richest man, Westfield's owner Frank Lowy, was installed.Johnny Warren died on November 6, 2004, well before Australia qualified for the World Cup but in enough time to see "it happen". Senator Kemp's role in initiating the enquiry and securing Lowy's appointment was the thrust of a story I wrote in the Business section of the Herald on July 1.The story also had a significant news angle - Lowy's Football Federation Australia owed the Federal Government $4million - after receiving an earlier gift of $9million to resurrect the sport. Lowy wrote a highly personalised response in the Herald a week later. He referred to me as "rugby league writer", even though the original piece appeared in the Business section, one of many cover stories I have written in that section. "Only the most bigoted devotee of another code could quibble about the contribution of the Socceroos, and the new football administration," he wrote.I did not "quibble" about the Socceroos' or FFA's achievements. I pointed out the Federal Government's role and speculated whether the tax payer would get his $4million back.Lowy did go on to praise the Government but there was no mention of repaying the $4million in his 2000-word response. He also pointed out this "devotee" of rugby league is a member of the board of the Australian Sports Commission - the Federal Government's policy and funding arm - and my motives were therefore "questionable".I have been a board member of the ASC since its inception in 1984, serving under three prime ministers and nine sports ministers. At no stage has my rugby league background ever influenced a decision on funding for football. Lowy is playing the man, not the ball.Maybe it starts at the top. It was our problem in Germany, if the referee who penalised Lucas Neill in the Italy game is to be believed. Like most Australians, I set the alarm and cheered on the Socceroos. I come from a proud football family. My great uncle Jude Masters was one of Australia's finest soccer captains. My only problem with football tragics is they treat their game like fibre - something which is good for you. If you don't eat it, there's something wrong with you.They can be as hectoring as reformed smokers, making you feel guilty for not worshipping the game the rest of the world loves.The sport has long had a Messiah complex, waiting for someone, like former ABC boss David Hill, or premiers Neville Wran, Jeff Kennett and Nick Greiner, to come along and fix it.Maybe, when one did arrive, sharing the glory with the Federal Government hurt.Lowy accused me of seeking to "rain on the parade", but on the contrary I hope we continue to see him parade during his reign and lead the FFA and the eight-team A-League to fabulous success.When the board of the ASC next sits, I'll vote for funds to help the Matildas, an Australian Institute of Sport program.They begin a two-week tournament tomorrow in Adelaide to win the Asian Cup run by the Asian Football Confederation, a qualifying tournament for the 2007 FIFA women's World Cup.The FFA's push into Asia has taken the women's competition with it, at a cost of $300,000 for the Matildas to try and be one of the two teams to qualify for the World Cup in China.They've been ignored, with the focus on the appointment of the Socceroos' new coach, whom Lowy is willing to pay a sum the FFA cannot afford.According to some commentators, the future of football depends on Lowy's "long pockets", but he has confined investment to Sydney FC, quite correctly resisting pleas to fund the A-League as a lasting memorial to him.Instead, as he said, "… we need all the help we can get - from the fans, sponsors, and the Government."

This is the copy of Roy Master's dispute with Frank Lowy. Better summarisation and analysis is required in the article. This contributer is POV as shown by the edits he made to the Sydney Morning Herald. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.225.216.197 (talk • contribs) 09:32, 2 August 2006.

Football - Soccer - Naming Conventions

In Sydney, RL is known as football and soccer is known as soccer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.225.218.93 (talk • contribs) 10:07, 26 August 2006.

This is a Sydney centric article about a Sydney personality, therefore as most people seeking it will be from Sydney, it should reflect commen usages in Sydney. Therefore league is football and soccer is soccer. An appropriate link explains this for non-Sydneysiders. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.225.218.93 (talk • contribs) 10:09, 26 August 2006.

It does not matter what is said in Sydney, but rather Consensus. And Consensus follows the Naming Conventions and the naming conventions name articles Rugby League and Football (soccer). That is the answer to what we should call the respective sports, any other name just leads to edit wars which we plainly should not be having. Jpe|ob 10:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Unjustified Reverts

The justification for 60.225.218.93's revert of Roy Masters (rugby league coach) is not valid. The said "aggressive editing" is in line with WP:BB and is merely following the WP:MOS. Please do not revert pages without discussing them on the talk page, as this is a process of Consensus, not pushing one point of view. Jpe|ob 10:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

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