Talk:Román Oyarzun Oyarzun

of interest to specific audience tag

Have removed the "interest to specific audience" tag. I think history is one of the most popular topics searched on WP, there are few subjects of WP which are of more of interest to "general audience" than history (like entertainment, sports, celebs, politics). But this is not the point. The point is that there are no quantitative criteria as to what makes an article "of interest to specific audience" and "excessively detailed"; hence, the decision is made on a relative basis. And this is where some minimum consistency when gauging what is „of interest to specific audience” is needed.

I have compared this article to a number of others, presented on the WP front page as featured articles, „the best articles Wikipedia has to offer”, having in mind the question of „excessive detail”, „inclusion policy”, „relevant information” and „interest to specific audience”. Most of these featured articles are double and some are almost triple the size of Oyarzun, almost all (perhaps except Poulens) refer to hardly known subjects and contain passages hardly understandable to anyone not familiair with the area in question. Please note that I am not comparing the Oyarzun article to any non-tagged article. I am comparing the Oyarzun article to „the best Wikipecia has to offer”, the cream of the cream. These featured articles demonstrate how a good WP article should look like. And I would invite you to inspect these articles, gauge their level of detail and reflect whether extensive passages from these articles are of interest to general audience.

I do not expect to get the Oyarzun article splashed on the front page as a featured one and „the best WP has to offer”, which would probably indeed require a lot of polishing. What I expect is applying some minimum consistency. Please note that I do not object to inserting detailed information quoted below in featured articles; actually, I enjoyed this „excessive detail” about pyjamas, magnetic flux and rococo divertissements; it was both a pleasure and an informative experience to read that sort of entries even though I do not belog to a „specific audience” which developed interest in 12th-century history of Scotland, US basketball, Yugoslav army dispositions, sub-breeds of metal rock or properties of stellar photosphere. This is fine with me. But I am uneasy about splasing as a featured article a 4,400-word entry on a North American basketball player (one of hundreds already in WP) and tagging a 3,100-word article on perhaps one of the 3 best known historians of a 200-year-old political movement.

title	day featured	subject	no. of words (about)	excessive detail?
Donnchadh, Earl of Carrick	April 19, 2017	12th century Scottish magnate	6,100	There are records of patronage towards the nunnery of North Berwick, a house founded by Donnchadh's probable maternal grandfather or great-grandfather Donnchadh I of Fife
King Kalākaua's world tour	April 16, 2017	first world-round tour of a monarch	8,300	Kalākaua got to inspect the troops during military maneuvers at the Schmelz parade grounds. He later had an audience with Archduke Albrecht, Duke of Teschen. In the evening, he returned to the opera house for a performance of Mozart's The Marriage of Figaro
Margaret Lea Houston	April 11, 2017	wife of a Texas governor	5,100	She was buried in the ground beside Nancy's tomb at 11 p.m. by her servant Bingley, family friend Major Eber Cave, and her two daughters Nettie and Mary Willie
Noel Park	April 10, 2017	neighborhood in London	5,400	many of the smaller fourth- and fifth-class houses, the doors were aligned at right angles to the façade of the house, so as not to open directly adjacently to their neighbours
7th Army (Kingdom of Yugoslavia)	April 6, 2017	Yugoslav military formation	6,000	the 1st Border Regiment and an independent border battalion, supported by one border artillery battalion fielding three batteries, in the sector of Mountain Detachment Rišnajaski
Courtney Love	April 2, 2017	celebrity	8,000	Love wore a satin and lace dress once owned by actress Frances Farmer, and Cobain wore green pajamas
Juan Manuel de Rosas	March 30, 2017	19th-century Argentinian politician	6,862	The gauchos were tolerated because there was no other labor force available, but were treated with contempt by the landowners
Death on the Rock	March 06, 2017	TV documentary episode on IRA-related shooting [not the shooting itself]	6,400	He explained to the journalists that, had Savage's white Renault contained a substantial bomb, the weight would have been evident on the vehicle's springs
Viking metal	March 01, 2017	breed of music	7,400	He contends that this attack was merely an opportunistic raid, not a concerted attack on the growing power of Christianity, and that the terms "heathen" and "pagan" historically did not necessarily mean "anti-Christian", but that the people in question did not fit under a denominational label
Theodore Komnenos Doukas	Feb 25, 2017	Greek 11th c. ruler	7,600	In 1217, Stefan II tried to circumvent this by suggesting himself as the groom to Theodora's half-sister Maria, but Chomatianos vetoed this proposal as well on similar grounds
Epsilon Eridani	February 14, 2017	star	6,400	The magnetic properties can be modelled by assuming that regions with a magnetic flux of about 0.14 T randomly cover approximately 9% of the photosphere, whereas the remainder of the surface is free of magnetic fields
Cliff Clinkscales	Feb 6, 2017	basketball player	4,400	In the Florida Christian Athletic League's south quarterfinals, he posted 40 points and 14 assists to beat Ocala Word of Faith by a 100–32 margin. In the district title contest, he put up 26 points, 15 assists, six rebounds, and three steals”
Rogue River (Oregon)	Jan 9, 2017	river	8,900	The postmaster named the office Agnes after his daughter, but a transcription error added an extra "s" and the name became Agness
Francis Poulenc	Jan 7, 2017	French composer	8,400	They are early examples of Poulenc's many and varied influences, with echoes of rococo divertissements alongside unconventional harmonies, some influenced by jazz
Clinton Engineering Works	Jan 6, 2017	US production installation contributing to Hiroshima bomb	8,400	The next day, Under Secretary of War Robert P. Patterson authorized the acquisition of 56,000 acres (23,000 ha) at an estimated cost of $3.5 million

--Dd1495 (talk) 16:05, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I think a major problem with this article is that many references (if not most) are from Oyarsun himself : Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary. CaféBuzz (talk) 10:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)