Talk:Richard Tomlins (politician)

Death?

He is stated, with citation to History of Parliament, to have died in the year 1650, yet the last two sentences of this article state he was in his last post until the Restoration of 1660 and that he made a speech in 1659, which would make him into his nineties (rare for the time)!Cloptonson (talk) 20:40, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Conflation of two Richard Tomlins

According to the first citation in the article, History of Parliament, Richard Tomlins MP and Richard Tomlins Cursitor Baron of the Exchequer are related, but not the same person.

Conflation of the two Richard Tomlins throughout; I don't have enough information to confidently remove only the information relating to the Baron of the Exchequer. Added Disputed template. --DJ Leslie (talk) 18:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

@Djleslie: Here's some info on the Baron of the Exchequer. The portrait at the Bodleian is certainly the parliamentarian. I'll see what else I can dig up. - PKM (talk) 22:38, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Info on speech published in 1659. - PKM (talk) 23:01, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Split the article, step one

Since problems with the death dates and identities have been noted for over three years, I have split this article without further discussion. The new article on the Baron of the Exchequer is at Richard Tomlins (judge).

More conflation?

The birth and death dates for the MP (1653–1650) and the dates given by the Bodleian Library for its portrait of the merchant and founder of the chair of anatomy (?1564–1650) are consistent, but we could use more direct evidence that these two are the same man.

Also, I have found nothing online except the bare name "Richard Tomlins" as a member of the Virginia Company to link him to the MP Richard Tomlins.

• the History of Parliament article cited states "Yet by about 1614 Tomlyns was living within the precincts of Westminster Abbey, and may have been employed there, perhaps initially in the service of (Sir) James Whitelocke*, steward of the Abbey estates until 1621.11" which aligns with a Richard Thomlins "of Westminster" as the founder of the chair of anatomy.

• JSTOR 24619539 "Medical Education in 17th Century England" states that the Tomlins Lectureship in Anatomy was established 15 January 1623 by "Richard Tomlins of the City of Westminster". This is not necessarily the same as living within the precincts of Westminster Abbey.

• There is another Richard Tomlins who was a publisher in London c. 1658-60 about whom I have no further info (mentioned in several JSTOR citations for works published in the 17th century).

- PKM (talk) 20:48, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Request for comment

The source found by PKM indicates that the Richard Tomlyns or Tomlins who was MP for Ludlow in the 1620s is not the same man as the the endower of the Lectureship in Anatomy at Oxford. Cunard (talk) 05:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Do the sources cited provide sufficient evidence that the Richard Tomlyns or Tomlins who was MP for Ludlow in the 1620s is the same man as the endower of the Lectureship in Anatomy at Oxford or the member of the Virginia Company? - PKM (talk) 20:58, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

• No not same man, certainly not if the sources are the ones immediately above, which do not explicitly state he was. btw it is unclear whether the sources above are verbatim, or if they include (WP) editorial comment. My vote would probably not alter whichever it was. Pincrete (talk) 00:51, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
• Confirmation I've found a source that indicates that the Oxford readership anatomy was established by an "otherwise little-known merchant"[1] - clearly not the MP from Ludlow. - PKM (talk) 22:31, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Separated

Based on the comments above, I have created Richard Tomlins (merchant) for the founder of the Readership in Anatomy. I have been unable to find any evidence as to which Richard Tomlins was a member of the Virgina Company (I'd guess the merchant), so I have removed all mention of that from the three articles. - PKM (talk) 23:38, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Note - there is a fourth Richard Tomlins who was a London bookseller and a Master of the Worshipful Company of Stationers active from the 1640s to 1670s, but I have not found enough info on him to meet WP:Notability. - PKM (talk) 01:14, 16 January 2017 (UTC)