Talk:Republic Cafe and Ming Lounge/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Gerald Waldo Luis (talk · contribs) 11:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Yesh! Chinese restaurants! GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 11:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Hoping this one survives the COVID-19 pandemic. So many restaurants in Portland have closed permanently, which is why I'm spending a lot of time lately documenting the local food, nightlife, and restaurant industries. :( ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:59, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Another Believer, man. Here, all restos are still open but with protocols-- although mom-and-pops don't really give a shit. The minimarts and night markets are the ones unable to keep stonk. Some days ago a flood struck the city, it's something I'm tryna compile before having it live. GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 17:26, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Hoping things improve significantly in 2021. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Another Believer, I'm not giving much expectations for next year. Just so that if things happen, my mental state don't get crushed again. GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 05:31, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

References

• I assume good faith on offline magazine sources. However I noticed that for such a short claim, it has lots of citations. From the titles of the last two sources, I believe there can be more statements made. However if the latter claim is enough, I believe less sources can be used. GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 11:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, Thanks! The offline sources were found from using my library card to search the Oregonian archives via Multnomah County Library. I think 13 inline citations is good for an article this length, and I bundled the 4 Oregonian sources about the 1942 murder to avoid WP:CITEBUNDLE. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Another Believer, broadly the references are already fine. But for a claim as short as "One of the Republic's cooks, Wong Hai, was murdered in the restaurant in 1942," that surely don't need 4 sources to back, 1 or 2 is usual. GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 16:20, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, Well, the 4 articles had updates about the murder, but I've bundled them as a single inline citation specifically for the purpose of avoiding overciting. I'd prefer to keep the four Oregonian pieces as a single citation for future reference and easier finding in the archives. :) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:25, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Another Believer, if the update sources have some more essential information about the murder, I'll probably include it here. For example, the third title is "Murder Suspect Kills Self in Cell"-- the killer, its motives, and his suicide could be included without being lengthy to deviate from the topic. GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 16:51, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  The sources do not provide more detail about the restaurant but the business is mentioned in each piece about the particularly gruesome meat cleaver murder. I think mentioning the murder and giving readers access to the archived article titles is helpful, but I don't think we need to go into more specifics about the murder. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:56, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Another Believer, "giving readers access to the archived article titles"-- that would feel home more in "Further reading," as it is not really a need to verify the claims made in article but still worth the read. GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 17:28, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, Well, maybe "give readers access" is the wrong phrase since "access" is really not happening here with no URLs provided. I guess I mean to say, I'd prefer to keep the 4 Oregonian article titles so interested readers know how to find additional information about the murder if they're inclined. I think the murder is worth mentioning briefly as an event in the restaurant's history, but no additional detail is needed. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:49, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Another Believer, sounds good to me. I recommend, though, stating that he was killed using a cleaver (whatever a cleaver blow is); if the murderer name is said in the archive I would include it. Sadly I don't read magazines other than National Geographic and airplane magazines I stole. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 17:53, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis,  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  @Another Believer: [in countryballs tone] That's... that's... that's not funny you know... givin chills dan mah span. GeraldWL 17:04, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

• Ref 7's page is "p. C01." What is "C01"? GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 05:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, This is common in the Oregonian archives and I've never had issues with the citations being questions here on Wikipedia. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:51, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

  Another Believer, I see. GeraldWL: [S AO EU G HS] 05:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• "In 2018, a photograph of Ivan Mui outside the restaurant was exhibited at the Portland Chinatown Museum's inaugural opening exhibit, Dean Wong's Made in Chinatown USA: Portland" is supported by three sources. Seemed to be too much: mind explaining or removing vague cites? GeraldWL 17:09, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

• Per this image, the slogan of the resto seemed to be "The House of Louie." Should that be included in the "Slogan" parameter? GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 17:56, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, No, House of Louie is a neighboring restaurant. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:13, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Another Believer, forget that! GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 04:52, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

  Another Believer, the official site states "Best Food, Good Food." Is that considered a slogan? Seems like. GeraldWL 17:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, I would prefer to see the slogan mentioned in sources. I'm not sure that's an official slogan, so I recommend leaving alone. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:14, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

  Another Believer, sounds perfect. (Reliable sources, we're waiting for you). GeraldWL 17:19, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Description

• The writer is "S.J. Sebellin-Ross," and the pronoun used is "they." Is the person preferring of a gender-neutral pronoun, or is the gender not identified? GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 05:13, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

  I have no idea if S.J. is male or female, I went with the gender-neutral option. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:52, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• "Chinese menu"-- only the "Chinese" is piped to Chinese cuisine. I suggest having "menu" in the pipe too. GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 05:29, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:52, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link celery? GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 05:29, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:52, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• You finally convinced me to eat 馄饨 after years of hiatus from Chinese food ([sigh] I'm such a disgrace). GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 05:29, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Hah! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:52, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

History

• "suicide by hanging himself" Recommend linking to suicide by hanging. GeraldWL: [S AO EU G HS] 07:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:41, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link Mother's Day (United States) in "Mother's Day"? GeraldWL: [S AO EU G HS] 07:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• "Republic Cafe agreed to use the Chinatown Ambassadors." I would use "hire" or "work with" rather than "use"-- "use" makes it sound like a tool. GeraldWL: [S AO EU G HS] 07:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Reception

• "In 2010, The Oregonian's S.J. Sebellin-Ross"-- Sebellin-Ross has been described above, so here, I would rather only have it "Sebellin-Ross." GeraldWL: [S AO EU G HS] 07:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:43, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• "the sheer quantity " of food "are perfect"-- is the first apostrophe a typo? And what is the "of food"? GeraldWL: [S AO EU G HS] 07:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

   Fixed ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:45, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• "still considered delicacies". He opined:" Ref 3 is cited after "delicacies." Below is a quote box also using ref 3. To use only one r3, I recommend moving the quote box ref3 to after "opined:", and remove the r3 after "delicacies."
  • This is the only request I'd like to push back on. I'd prefer to keep the quote box and citations alone, worth keeping two uses of the citation for both of the direct quotes. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:51, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
• "He opined"-- suggest freshening it, change it to "reckoned." (many think that is not a real word but it is infact registered in Merrian-Webster. GeraldWL: [S AO EU G HS] 07:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:50, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Overall

This has passed the GA criteria. Overall, as well, I'm enjoying reviewing GA more. Will try review more GA nominations of yours, and others. Go Portland! GeraldWL 17:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

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