Talk:Rashomon effect

Credit due

I don't understand why Kurosawa's film takes the credit, when the story on which it is based (duly noted in the article) obviously precedes the film... Batula (talk) 07:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the film, although not the originator of the idea, popularized the notion? 66.24.238.22 (talk) 22:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The film takes the credit because the story named Rashomon is not told from multiple perspectives and with conflicting facts. The film was named Rashomon, despite its plot being based on "Into the Grove," because "Into the Grove" was first published in a collection called "Rashomon" and thus the story often was better remembered for the title of the collection than for its individual name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.150.14 (talk) 04:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Full text of Heider article

I found a site with the full text of the publication by Heider here: http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/gleazer/291B/Heider-Rashomon.pdf I'm not sure how to cite it and such, but I think it would be useful to link that site in the citation, so people who are interested can read it.67.188.216.255 (talk) 18:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Added to citation Vettrock (talk) 17:14, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Daffy and Porky

It's been used in The Looney Tunes Show episode "Reunion", where Daffy and Porky have different memories of high school.GoPeter452 (talk) 01:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

MLP:FIM

I removed the section from My Little Pony Friendship is Magic because it's not really a Rashomon effect; each of the six describe the same event in non-contradictory ways. ...OK, so this probably could have fit in the edit summary, but it seemed longer in my head. Wehpudicabok (talk) 08:05, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Use in Movies

Should the movie Vantage Point be included here? The first paragraph of the entry for that movie indicates that "The film is cited for its use of the Rashomon Effect." Sablesear (talk) 08:21, 11 September 2011 (UTC) Should the movie Les Girls be included here? The description reads "A Rashômon (1950)-style narrative presents the story from three points of view where Sybil accuses Angele of having an affair with Barry (Gene Kelly), while Angele insists that it was actually Sybil who was having the affair. Finally, Barry gives his side of the story.[1]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fillups44 (talk • contribs) 01:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Shutter Island

How about Shutter Island? Should it be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.229.240.145 (talk) 15:44, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Rashomon effect or Rashōmon effect?

At WT:JAPAN we are discussing if adding macron (diacritic accents) to this title to conform to the Japanese romanization of "Rashōmon" is original research or correcting bad spelling and whether MOS:JAPAN applies to this psychological concept. You are invited to respond. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 11:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Remove "Go"

I'm not a regular Wikipedian, so I won't do it myself, but I wanted to strongly recommend that someone remove the film "Go" from the "Use in Cinema" list. It does not belong there. Just because a film is told from different perspectives does not make it Rashomon effect. It has to be conflicting perspectives. The movie "Go", like dozens of other movies, is told from multiple different characters' viewpoints, but they do not ever contradict one another, so it does not apply for Rashomon effect. I'm guessing this goes for a lot of the other films on the list too, but without having seen them all, I can't say for sure. In any case, I recommend a Wikipedian remove "Go" from the list. The list should be restricted to films that contain contradicting perspectives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.25.105 (talk) 11:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Movie "Basic"

I am completely unfamiliar with editing, but I figured it would be worth considering the 2003 movie "Basic", as it seems to fit within the criteria on this page. 64.134.64.248 (talk) 19:38, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

I have removed this

"The disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 has spawned numerous conspiracy theories and contradictory versions of journalistic reporting. This has been described as a classic example of the "Rashomon effect" " Although described by the author as the effect, it is not. The Rashomon effect involves the participants in the event to each tell a different version. What the author is describing is just standard conspiracy theory to fill the vacuum of knowledge. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

References

Movie Predestination does not belong here

Predestination is not an example of the Rashomon effect, but (almost) the exact opposite. Each time the main character visits the same events (s)he gets only part of the truth, but we can see a complete consistent version emerging. While each perspective is partial there are NO contradictions, that are central to the Rashomon effect. The movie should be removed from the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.167.81.201 (talk) 00:20, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Lede Term Description

While happening upon this page, this definition in the article's lede: "notorious unreliability of eyewitnesses" struck me as rather an aggressive way to define the effect / principle. "Notorious unreliability"? The definition of "notorious" is: "famous or well known, typically for some bad quality or deed." Which implies that each and every eyewitness has intentional ulterior motives. As well, "unreliability" (inability to be relied upon or trusted) would also suggest that each eyewitness cannot be trusted. This principle merely points out the "difference" in eyewitness accounts - not the intentionally divisive accounts. For example: Titanic Survivors and those who witnessed the Kennedy Assassination. I would not call the eyewitnesses to these occurrences as "notorious" or "unreliable" simply because they differ. Here is an online description: "Also known as 'Kurosawa effect', this refers to a phenomenon wherein the same event is interpreted in vastly different ways by different people." I propose to change the lede sentence to better represent the effect with the term: "Contradictory accounts"; unless there is vast opposition. Maineartists (talk) 14:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Eyewitnesses

Quote: The term, derived from the 1950 Japanese film Rashomon, is used to describe the phenomenon of the unreliability of eyewitnesses.

I would like to point out that the film Rashomon deals not with the different accounts given by eyewitnesses but by the participants (perpetrators and victims) of a crime. Maikel (talk) 14:06, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

I have seen this film. One account is from the supposed murder victim (from beyond the grave), one account is from the supposed murderer (who claims that he won in a duel, rather than a murder), one account is from the woman over whom they were fighting, and the fourth account is from a random bystander who was spying on them. Dimadick (talk) 16:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)